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Al Czervik 12-05-2019 06:11 AM


Originally Posted by Buzzlightyear (Post 2934041)
To throw stones at or because you are truly interested? Your article cherry picked the biggest bull market in history btw.

My article spoke of investing immediately before every crash/downturn as well. We only have investment access to limited market history in our lives.

Buzzlightyear 12-05-2019 06:21 AM


Originally Posted by Al Czervik (Post 2934065)
My article spoke of investing immediately before every crash/downturn as well. We only have investment access to limited market history in our lives.

He didn’t speak of investing at the peak of every downturn. Look at any historical Dow chart which goes back to the 1800’s and you’ll see how he cherry picked to get his desired outcome.

Al Czervik 12-05-2019 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Buzzlightyear (Post 2934078)
He didn’t speak of investing at the peak of every downturn. Look at any historical Dow chart which goes back to the 1800’s and you’ll see how he cherry picked to get his desired outcome.

I don’t think he could have made a better case for investing at a bad time. 1972, 87, 99, 2007. Take a look at the graph. Looks like it’s been good to stay in.

Buzzlightyear 12-05-2019 06:45 AM


Originally Posted by Al Czervik (Post 2934063)
Interested. I cant see doing anything other than what has always worked. The problem I have with (what I perceive as) your logic is when to sell assets/move monies. You really never make or lose money until you lock in that gain or loss. I’ve weathered multiple downturns. The most recent was almost on par with the Great Depression. People were calling for a downturn/large adjustment last year. I have made a lot of money on my investments over the last year. Honestly interested.

I can’t help you with the when’s of when to sell. Nobody can consistently pick tops or bottoms. As a value investor I like to buy where there is value. Buying at double the long term Schiller PE makes no sense to me. I also look at the market cap to gdp to get a sense of valuation. Last fall we were 19% down from the top and that was right around where I would typically hunker down, get bearish and wait for a market drop. The Fed stepped in and we are at new highs. I wasn’t 100% invested since then and I missed some of this years run, again because I’m not comfortable at these nosebleed valuations. History tells us that a recession will come and a market pullback of 50-65% will come as well. That’s a run of the mill pullback. If there is a policy error along the way it will be worse.

Al Czervik 12-05-2019 06:55 AM


Originally Posted by Buzzlightyear (Post 2934098)
I can’t help you with the when’s of when to sell. Nobody can consistently pick tops or bottoms. As a value investor I like to buy where there is value. Buying at double the long term Schiller PE makes no sense to me. I also look at the market cap to gdp to get a sense of valuation. Last fall we were 19% down from the top and that was right around where I would typically hunker down, get bearish and wait for a market drop. The Fed stepped in and we are at new highs. I wasn’t 100% invested since then and I missed some of this years run, again because I’m not comfortable at these nosebleed valuations. History tells us that a recession will come and a market pullback of 50-65% will come as well. That’s a run of the mill pullback. If there is a policy error along the way it will be worse.

Fair enough. What does “ typically hunker down, get bearish and wait for a market drop.” mean with relation to your investments and have you run a scenario analysis of both options?

Buzzlightyear 12-05-2019 06:55 AM


Originally Posted by Al Czervik (Post 2934087)
I don’t think he could have made a better case for investing at a bad time. 1972, 87, 99, 2007. Take a look at the graph. Looks like it’s been good to stay in.

Look at ‘26-56. Look at ‘66-96. It’s up but nowhere near his results. Cherry picked.

Buzzlightyear 12-05-2019 06:57 AM


Originally Posted by Al Czervik (Post 2934108)
Fair enough. What does “ typically hunker down, get bearish and wait for a market drop.” mean with relation to your investments?

Why do I feel like I’m being cross examined?

Al Czervik 12-05-2019 07:06 AM


Originally Posted by Buzzlightyear (Post 2934109)
Look at ‘26-56. Look at ‘66-96. It’s up but nowhere near his results. Cherry picked.

I think you may need to re read the article.

Al Czervik 12-05-2019 07:08 AM


Originally Posted by Buzzlightyear (Post 2934111)
Why do I feel like I’m being cross examined?

I’m interested because what you do doesn’t jive with my investment strategy. I’m not sure if that means you move investments to bonds (lock-in capital gain taxes) or bury it in a coffee can. Honestly interested but NBD.

Weekendwarrior2 12-05-2019 07:33 AM


Originally Posted by Buzzlightyear (Post 2933921)
$100k pay cut. All depends on how much you were making. Caught up by year three and then some.


Won’t be that case coming from a regional lol


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