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Old 09-29-2022 | 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
The debt and financing problem is a general one for all junk rated companies - which is MOST of the US industry unfortunately - COVID was not kind to the airlines despite PSP.

That certainly includes NK. The era of cheap money is over - at least for awhile.
Doubtful AA group becomes a LBO target. So money's tight as titanic notes cruise into icy waters. OTOH, did Chrysler sink? Bear Sterns? AIG? Course corrections are ahead, they always are. American lives to see a new day and fresh fiascos. Right after the handicappers who thought they knew everything unload their worthless tickets onto hapless taxpayers incapable of shouldering the responsibility of democratic privilege.
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Old 09-29-2022 | 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by METO Guido
Doubtful AA group becomes a LBO target. So money's tight as titanic notes cruise into icy waters. OTOH, did Chrysler sink? Bear Sterns? AIG? Course corrections are ahead, they always are. American lives to see a new day and fresh fiascos. Right after the handicappers who thought they knew everything unload their worthless tickets onto hapless taxpayers incapable of shouldering the responsibility of democratic privilege.
didnt bear sterns liquidate?
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Old 09-29-2022 | 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by AllYourBaseAreB
didnt bear sterns liquidate?

Part of JP Morgan/Chase
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Old 09-29-2022 | 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Al Czervik
Part of JP Morgan/Chase
With HUGE assistance from the Govt. After that, everyone wanted a “Jamie deal”….
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Old 09-29-2022 | 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by AllYourBaseAreB
didnt bear sterns liquidate?
Lehman Bros did, which scared the govt enough to get involved and grease the skids for Bear Stearns and Merril Lynch to be sold instead of BK'd
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Old 09-29-2022 | 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by nene
Lehman Bros did, which scared the govt enough to get involved and grease the skids for Bear Stearns and Merril Lynch to be sold instead of BK'd
Where do you get your info?! Lehman went belly up in September 2008. Bear was bought with MASSIVE govt help in March…. Nearly 6 months before Lehman was allowed to go bankrupt. Your timeline is off, and, BoA didn’t get the “Jamie deal” by acquiring Merril…. They did it out of convenience.
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Old 09-29-2022 | 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Tranquility
Where do you get your info?! Lehman went belly up in September 2008. Bear was bought with MASSIVE govt help in March…. Nearly 6 months before Lehman was allowed to go bankrupt. Your timeline is off, and, BoA didn’t get the “Jamie deal” by acquiring Merril…. They did it out of convenience.
Well it was off the top of my memory, which apparently had them out of order.

I just remember them letting Lehman go under, without any govt assistance, which was surprising at the time. As I recall, BoA may have not gotten the "Jamie deal" but there was much govt/political maneuvering to make the Merrill deal go through.

Bottom line was the fed was very interested in making sure these banks did not just collapse under their previous poor decisions as that would very probably lead to a cascading effect throughout the banking sector.
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Old 10-01-2022 | 07:31 PM
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Banks Hike Pricing on Junk Bond Needed for Latam Bankruptcy Exit

Sept. 29, 2022, 3:54 PM
  • Senior secured bond is now being offered at 14% to 15% yield
  • Orders are slow on the $2.25 billion of bonds and loans
Banks leading the bankruptcy exit financing for Latam Airlines Group SA are sweetening the price on $1.5 billion of high-yield bonds amid tepid investor demand.

JPMorgan Chase & Co. is proposing an all-in yield in the range of 14% to 15% on the debt from an initial price talk of around 13%, according to people familiar with the matter. The original issue discount has been lowered to 93 cents on the dollar, according to the people, who asked not to be named discussing private information.


https://news.bloomberglaw.com/bankru...ankruptcy-exit





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LATAM Airlines Group S.A (LATAM) Related Research Credit Opinion: LATAM Airlines Group S.A (LATAM): New issuer - Update following post-bankruptcy exit financing issuance
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Moody's assigns B2 ratings to LATAM Airlines and its $2.25 billion secured notes and term loan in connection with its post-bankruptcy exit financing; outlook is stable


22 Sep 2022New York, September 22, 2022 -- Moody's Investors Service ("Moody's") has today assigned a B2 corporate family rating (CFR) to LATAM Airlines Group S.A (LATAM) in connection with its post-bankruptcy exit financing. At the same time, Moody's assigned a B2 rating to the proposed $2.25 billion senior secured notes and term loan to be co-issued by LATAM and Professional Airline Services Inc., a Florida corporation and a wholly owned subsidiary of LATAM, due in 5 and 7 years. The outlook for the ratings is stable.



The rating assignment follows the confirmation order of LATAM debtor's joint plan of reorganization under the Chapter 11 of the US bankruptcy code issued on 18 June 2022 by the United States Bankruptcy Court of the Southern District of New York, which will allow the company to emerge from bankruptcy in the second half of 2022.



The rating of the proposed notes and term loan assumes that the final transaction documents will not be materially different from draft legal documentation reviewed by Moody's to date and assume that these agreements are legally valid, binding and enforceable.



Ratings Assigned:

..Issuer: LATAM Airlines Group S.A

.... Corporate Family Rating: B2
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Old 10-02-2022 | 07:29 PM
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Leveraged Loan Default Volume In The U.S. Has Tripled This Year


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Oct 2, 2022,02:52pm EDT


The default rate this year has been rising both in high yield loans and leveraged loans. It is not as high as it was in 2020 or certainly not what it was in 2009. The fact that the default rising is important, however, because we are now in a very high inflationary environment globally. Rising central bank rates make it expensive and challenging for companies to refinance. Banks that lend to leveraged companies will have to be attentive to measuring rising risk weights and capital associated with these assets. Investors in the loans and bonds of leveraged companies or funds with those assets in them could also take losses due to the deteriorating credit quality of these assets and the volatility in asset prices caused by market nervousness about rising defaults.US Institutional Leveraged Loan and High Yield Bond Default Rates
FITCH RATINGSAccording to the “Fitch U.S. Leveraged Loan Default Insight,” the 2022 leveraged loan default volume so far this year totals $22.2 billion, three times higher than the $6.3 billion volume at this time in 2021. Cineworld, Diamond Sports, Envision, Endo, Lumileds, and RevlonREV +1% account for 72% of the 2022 default volume. In the second half of 2022, there have been ten defaults totaling $11.6 billion. If this trend continues, we should all worry whether credit will dry up for hundreds of very indebted companies. Moreover, defaulting companies will add to the unemployment rate, which until now has been fortunately low.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/mayraro...h=2a5d3a1f3201
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Old 10-03-2022 | 03:36 AM
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I'll bet Excargodog is the life of the party. I come in this thread thinking there might be something interesting and it's still the same dude yelling at himself. 🤣
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