Originally Posted by Aviator4life (Post 3179601)

Well this will help AA roll into bankruptcy when they alienate half the country. Cheers to Captain macho.

https://news.yahoo.com/video-american-airlines-pilot-says-124821162.html

Originally Posted by Aviator4life (Post 3179601)

Well this will help AA roll into bankruptcy when they alienate half the country. Cheers to Captain macho.

https://news.yahoo.com/video-america...124821162.html

Originally Posted by wrxpilot (Post 3179622)

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After the truly pathetic antics of the other day, I think a lot of support Trump thought he had has evaporated.

Originally Posted by wrxpilot (Post 3179627)

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Oh, so are you confused then about who tried to invade the capitol and attempt a coup the other day?

Originally Posted by LAXtoDEN (Post 3179629)

The protesters who broke through security at the Capital are a bunch of idiots, I hope those sweet pictures were worth it, and Trump should be embarrassed by encouraging these individuals.

The total hypocrisy is what I have a problem with. left leaning protesters the likes of BLM and Antifa burned and looted multiple cities, and we heard nothing but excuses from the media. It was complete anarchy that lasted for Months.

I’ve learned a valuable lesson from all of this though. You can loot and burn whatever the hell building you want to the ground in a protest, just make sure it’s a normal civilian owned business, then nobody cares. The error these D.C. protesters made was looting the house of politicians, big mistake.

Originally Posted by LAXtoDEN (Post 3179629)

The protesters who broke through security at the Capital are a bunch of idiots, I hope those sweet pictures were worth it, and Trump should be embarrassed by encouraging these individuals.

The total hypocrisy is what I have a problem with. left leaning protesters the likes of BLM and Antifa burned and looted multiple cities, and we heard nothing but excuses from the media. It was complete anarchy that lasted for Months.

I’ve learned a valuable lesson from all of this though. You can loot and burn whatever the hell building you want to the ground in a protest, just make sure it’s a normal civilian owned business, then nobody cares. The error these D.C. protesters made was looting the house of politicians, big mistake.

Originally Posted by sanicom3205 (Post 3179646)

I think you’re missing a big piece here: protesting racial injustice, versus trying to murder the Vice President and take 1/3 of our government hostage because you can’t accept the fact that the majority of the country doesn’t agree with you. I’m not saying people should destroy property, but I am saying that some frustrations are very real and legitimate and others are not. I am interested though, as you’re criticizing not only his delivery but also his message: should they have been allowed to continue to disturb the rest of the passengers and defy crew instructions just to keep “half the country” from boycotting AA?


Anyway, bankruptcy. I find it funny that many of you here seem like you have a better grasp on the finances at airlines than people writing articles like this:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.for...-industry/amp/

Originally Posted by Hedley (Post 3179658)

The BLM people who peacefully marched were protesting. Those who went on a rampage and damaged and destroyed property with antifa were rioters. A few right wing nut jobs storm the capital and they’re terrorist. Left wing nut jobs burn down businesses, take over entire sections of a city, and force the evacuation of state and municipal buildings and they’re fighting an injustice. The people who rioted and looted this summer and those who rioted at the capital should all be punished to the full extent of the law.

Saying that they were there to murder the VP and take hostages is really a stretch. I’ve read reports that say that hostage taking could have possibly been a motive, but nothing remotely definitive. They were just a mob who wanted to disrupt the government in an attempt to stop the electoral votes from becoming official....... You know..... morons.

Originally Posted by sanicom3205 (Post 3179662)

I don’t know, chanting “hang mike pence” was just for fun? Carrying armfuls of plastic handcuffs inside the chamber they just breached was just as a prop? I don’t buy that and I certainly wouldn’t call it a stretch.

Interestingly, one of the men carrying plastic handcuffs on the floor of Congress used to be on our seniority list!

Originally Posted by LAXtoDEN (Post 3179739)

My friend, those BLM protesters were chanting there fair share of ruthless bigotry. You remember “Pigs in a blanket, fry 'em like bacon", “ What do we want? dead cops! When do we want them? Now!” Of course the likes of CNN and MSNBC immediately tried to claim those protesters who chanted that bigotry were not part of the “national BLM movement” oh please..... That’s the power of the mainstream media though. They can ignore, hide, then block the chants from BLM like it never happened.

These types of clips would have been breaking news on the likes CNN if it wasn’t jeopardizing to the real agenda. https://www.air.tv/watch?v=tFFQ-heNQE6nk3SaQFe7kA

One of my favorite movies “Shooter” still holds the best line I’ve ever heard when it concerns our recent mainstream media, social media, including the likes of even Google. “The truth is what I say it is!!!!”
https://youtu.be/BlEo8PQChG4

Anyways we could probably go back and forth all day on this matter.

Originally Posted by sanicom3205 (Post 3179783)

I am not saying people should do anything like burn buildings and destroy property, threaten to or actually hurt anyone. I am saying that acting like a giant conspiracy theory is an equal cause to racial injustice is bonkers. That’s all.

Can some of you smart people come back and talk about quantitative easement and bond yields before the wide body grandpas come and start yelling at the clouds about BLM pins and maga hats in the cockpit

Originally Posted by sanicom3205 (Post 3179783)

I am not saying people should do anything like burn buildings and destroy property, threaten to or actually hurt anyone. I am saying that acting like a giant conspiracy theory is an equal cause to racial injustice is bonkers. That’s all.

Can some of you smart people come back and talk about quantitative easement and bond yields before the wide body grandpas come and start yelling at the clouds about BLM pins and maga hats in the cockpit

Originally Posted by IBD GILLIAN RICH 02:27 PM ET 01/07/2021 (Post 3179783)

Travel stocks entered 2020 showing signs of strength as air travel and hotel room revenue reached record levels. But by the end of January, travel bans were among the first responses as the Covid-19 outbreak rattled markets and economies worldwide. Now, with vaccines hinting at a post-Covid future, the travel industry is cautiously optimistic for an uptick in the second half of 2021.

The Centers For Disease Control on Thursday reported more than 5.3 million Americans have so far been vaccinated. And U.S. health officials expect Covid-19 vaccines will be available to the general public this summer. Airlines are set to expand routes to prime vacation spots, vacation home style rentals from Airbnb are on the rise and cruise line passengers are eager to set sail.

But even with a vaccine, the coronavirus pandemic has forever altered some aspects of the travel industry. After years of steady growth, some business travel might be on the way out as employers embrace videoconferencing options. Vacation home booking sites led by Airbnb and Vrbo have altered many travelers' expectations for accommodations.

And the cruise line industry, which was the source of scores of deaths and some of the earliest coronavirus cases introduced to the U.S., faces a long haul before returning to anything resembling full capacity.

Travel Stocks: Airlines See Business Travel Turbulence

Airline passenger counts rose during the typically busy holiday season to nearly two-thirds of 2019 travel levels, according to Transportation Security Administration data. But the rise will likely be short-lived as coronavirus cases rise to new highs in the U.S. and a new virus strain, which emerged in the U.K., is triggering sweeping new lockdowns across Europe.

Even with the vaccine, the airline industry has a long way to go to climb out from the depths of 2020. The International Air Transport Association doesn't see passenger traffic rebounding fully to 2019 levels until 2024.
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What's more, the trade association warned in July that corporate travel will remain curtailed as companies look to save money. Business travel has long been big business for airlines. The association estimated that, before the pandemic, business travelers accounted for 50% of airline revenue in the U.S. The drop-off in business travel has upended the usual correlation between GDP growth and air travel, as videoconferencing rapidly replaces in-person meetings.

In a November interview with the AP, Delta Air Lines (DAL) CEO Ed Bastian said business travel could fall to a "new normal," 10% to 20% lower than pre-Covid levels.

Airlines Cater To The Covid Business Shuffle

But 2021 holds some glimmers of hope for travel stocks in the airline industry. U.S. carriers received $15 billion in the latest federal stimulus package to bring back 32,000 employees furloughed in October. In addition, the Boeing (BA) 737 Max finally received Federal Aviation Administration approval to return to service after a 20-month grounding.

While many Americans stayed at home, Silicon Valley tech companies have made big moves during the pandemic. Many are leaving crowded, high-priced cities for less crowded states with lower real estate costs and corporate taxes. Oracle (ORCL) and Hewlett Packard Enterprise (HPE) moved their headquarters to Texas. Goldman Sachs (GS) is considering moving operations to Florida.
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Airlines are expanding certain routes in the spring in anticipation of increased business and leisure travel from the corporate reshuffling. Southwest Airlines (LUV) announced 19 new routes in 2021 including nonstop flights from Houston to Chicago and Denver. JetBlue (JBLU) has 24 new routes in the works, including flights to Key West, Fla., Guatemala and Los Cabos, Mexico. Hawaiian Airlines (HA) is adding nonstop flights to Texas and Florida.

Budget airline Allegiant Travel (ALGT) is the top-ranked stock in IBD's Transportation-Airline group.

UBS has a buy rating on United Airlines (UAL), but Deutsche Bank has a hold rating on most U.S. airline stocks including United, Southwest, American Airlines (AAL), Delta and JetBlue.

Travel Stocks And Vacation Home Rentals

Amid worries about Covid-19 transmission on a crowded airplane full of recycled air, 2020 was the year of the road trip. Despite lockdowns and distancing, leisure travelers were willing to spend "a sizable amount of money on vacations during the pandemic," according to Bill Crow, a managing director of equity research at Raymond James. Many Americans who weren't able to travel in 2020 instead socked away funds for travel with family and friends in the vaccinated, post-Covid future.

"You look at the consumer balance sheets today, you look at where the savings accounts have gone and certainly, they can fuel really strong travel ahead," Crow said.

But vaccinated travel could look different than pre-pandemic trends.

After a rough March, travel stock Airbnb (ABNB) rebounded as travelers turned to the online vacation home rental service for spacious and secluded lodgings, rather than a crowded hotel. The company raised $3.5 billion during its IPO in December. The new issue topped Wall Street's lofty expectations to become the largest IPO in 2020.

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Airbnb Transforms Travel Bookings

Airbnb's blockbuster IPO brought a lot of attention to travel stocks and to the travel-booking sector. It acted as a disrupter to the more traditional airline and hotel vacation and travel packages. Now, other booking sites are expanding into vacation home and experience-style rental options.

Expedia (EXPE) owns Vrbo, a vacation home booking service similar to Airbnb. But unlike Airbnb, Vrbo doesn't offer shared spaces and is more focused on rentals in the suburbs, rather than urban centers.

Daniel Kurnos of the Benchmark Co. said Expedia and Airbnb are the best-positioned travel stocks in a Covid vaccine future. He notes that Vrbo remains an underrated asset for Expedia. He sees profits rebounding next year for Expedia and Booking.com (BKNG), and both travel stocks received a handful of upgrades and price-target hikes on Jan. 4.

Kurnos has a buy rating on Expedia stock, but doesn't see travel bookings in general returning to pre-Covid levels until at least 2022 or 2023.

China's Trip.com, India's MakeMyTrip

As the U.S. and Europe grapple with an enormous spike in Covid-19 cases in the midst of a long, dark winter, China has seen some positive travel trends in recent months. Air travel in China boomed in the last decade as a rising middle class found themselves for the first time able to afford vacations. The pandemic weighed on the region's travel, particularly during a strict early lockdown in the virus's epicenter of Wuhan. However, officials have said that the number of domestic flights in September rebounded above 2019 levels.

Nevertheless, Chinese travel booking companies must still navigate government restrictions. A December note from Oppenheimer said the main risk to Trip.com is "a more restrictive Chinese government." Last month, the Cyberspace Administration of China banned over 100 apps including TripAdvisor (TRIP) for being "illegal." Tripadvisor's China operations are controlled by Trip.com (TCOM), a Shanghai based-firm.

Indian online travel company MakeMyTrip (MMYT) is the top-ranked stock in the Leisure-Travel Booking group, according to IBD's Stock Checkup. Booking.com ranks No. 2. The group on Thursday ranked No. 47 among the 197 groups tracked by IBD."

Originally Posted by Hedley (Post 3179787)

Both groups are full of conspiracy theories. The data doesn’t show a bunch of rogue racist cops running around any more than it shows that Trump got more votes. I’m sure the same could be said about AA’s financial position. Of the big three I’d say that they have the deepest hole to crawl out of, but I don’t think that they’re going anywhere. All of this stuff makes for some entertaining reading when people just read the headline and don’t actually think about what the data means.

Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 3179802)

Why should we expect cops to do a good job when we give them dangerously inadequate training and supervision?

Originally Posted by flyinawa (Post 3179812)

Lol....replace the word “cops” with “pilots” and you have a perfect media portrayal after an aircraft accident. Except St. Sully....total media/Hollywood darling.

Originally Posted by Duffman (Post 3179825)

I said I wouldn't get involved, but I will say this:
We have flight data recorders and cockpit voice recorders. Cops have body cameras and recorders that they can turn off at will and that's perfectly acceptable. How'd you feel flying for a company where it was commonplace for the CA to pull the breaker on the FDR/CVR then do shady stuff? If that were acceptable, are there pilots you know who would abuse it?

When a cop arrests someone, they're potentially ruining their life. Depending on the charge, their employment, ability to get a security clearance, right to own firearms, vote, work for govt, etc, is all at risk. If they're guilty of said crime, then they should get the punishment. But why, with modern tech, is it acceptable for a cop's written report to be taken as gold in court when they have the tech to record everything they saw and heard on their shoulder? That body cam should be their primary means of gathering evidence and more important to their job than their firearm.

Originally Posted by Duffman (Post 3179825)

I said I wouldn't get involved, but I will say this:
We have flight data recorders and cockpit voice recorders. Cops have body cameras and recorders that they can turn off at will and that's perfectly acceptable. How'd you feel flying for a company where it was commonplace for the CA to pull the breaker on the FDR/CVR then do shady stuff? If that were acceptable, are there pilots you know who would abuse it?

When a cop arrests someone, they're potentially ruining their life. Depending on the charge, their employment, ability to get a security clearance, right to own firearms, vote, work for govt, etc, is all at risk. If they're guilty of said crime, then they should get the punishment. But why, with modern tech, is it acceptable for a cop's written report to be taken as gold in court when they have the tech to record everything they saw and heard on their shoulder? That body cam should be their primary means of gathering evidence and more important to their job than their firearm.

Originally Posted by Saabs (Post 3179839)

that gets me out of jury duty every time during voir dire. Last time I raised my hand because we were asked who would believe the police officer over the defendant. Yeah, I will most of the time. Especially when he had a criminal record. Just how I was raised, if you were raised differently that’s cool too.

Originally Posted by Trowserchilli (Post 3179882)

Bankruptcy? Not a bad idea to finally put this thing out of it’s misery.

Then, hopefully AA guys will be afforded the same opportunity the TWA guys were if they actually get bought.

Originally Posted by Trowserchilli (Post 3179882)

Bankruptcy? Not a bad idea to finally put this thing out of it’s misery.

Then, hopefully AA guys will be afforded the same opportunity the TWA guys were if they actually get bought.

Originally Posted by ACEssXfer (Post 3179922)

Yes, because the THOUSANDS of pilots at AA that had nothing to do with that little debacle definitely deserve that.

Originally Posted by Finessed (Post 3179927)

Well that’s to bad, looks like they better get those apps updated.

Originally Posted by Finessed (Post 3179927)

Well that’s to bad, looks like they better get those apps updated.

Originally Posted by TransWorld (Post 3178688)

This is spot on. The debtors and the company are pretty much those in charge, to work it out amongst themselves. The judge just basically sits back and lets it happen, only getting involved like a football referee does. If someone commits roughing the passer, the judge will get involved.

Originally Posted by LAXtoDEN (Post 3179934)

Lmfao you’re such a troll....

Originally Posted by Finessed (Post 3177776)

Unfortunately your grammar is so horrific it’s difficult to comprehend any content you post on the forums.

Originally Posted by Finessed (Post 3178817)

You’re no longer writing more than a few sentences I’ve noticed. I’d assume to prevent exposure to your horrific grammar.

Originally Posted by Finessed (Post 3177677)

Anyways, you’re most likely some 19 year old envoy cadet with horrific grammar

Originally Posted by Finessed (Post 3179927)

Well that’s to bad, looks like they better get those apps updated.

Originally Posted by Gone Flying (Post 3179942)

We aren’t terribly safe over here at DL either. Turns out spending billions on foreign airlines at record high prices might not haven been the best use of our $$$. If AA falls, I believe DL would be the next domino to fall.

Originally Posted by Al Czervik (Post 3180107)

Everyone’s always trying to come after the top dog.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...c5a3280115.jpg

Originally Posted by Mozam (Post 3180165)

Are the AA numbers mainline or all flying with AA colors ? I know. I know. What does it matter it is all AA.

Let me ask it another way , if I buy a ticket on AA and fly on JetBlue or Piedmont does that number go towards what AA is flying ?

Originally Posted by Al Czervik (Post 3180107)

Everyone’s always trying to come after the top dog.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...c5a3280115.jpg

Originally Posted by LAXtoDEN (Post 3180374)

I think everyone was already aware AA is the largest Airline in the world. Unfortunately being the largest comes at a cost. More money more problems still holds true I guess.

Break even load factors for each airline listed below.
Capacity
AA: 78.9%
DL: 74.2%
UA: 75.6%
SW: 72.5%

Reference: https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesasquith/2020/03/31/analysis-how-much-money-do-empty-flights-really-cost-airlines/