Basic questions about QOL at AA
01-08-2022 | 10:40 PM
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Both 737 and 320 in MIA. Both are “international” categories so can go pretty much anywhere AA flies. Bus category is smaller than 737 and a bit more senior. Both cover MIA, FLL, PBI. 737 trends toward 90/5/5 percentage trips out of those bases in order. Bus closer to 75/20/5. That’s very subject to change at a whim but seems to be the trend over past few years. 737 has more turns as a percentage of total flying than the bus, which locals like. Most of the turns are Caribbean, Mexico, Colombia, etc versus domestic. Bus has a TGU turn which is not popular and always in open time, MIA 737 also appears to have a higher number of turns as a percentage than western domiciles (LAX, PHX). Most 737 turns are out of MIA. PBI flying goes senior on both, but doesn’t appear to have a ton of turns... the handful that do exist go stupid senior.
Other than that, it’s got the same mix of 1-5 day trips as anywhere else. Commuters like commutable 4-5 days. Locals like easy turns and 2 days. Then a ton of people fall in between. Seniority is everything, surprise.
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Life at the bottom? Reserve, most likely short call. Mostly whatever is considered unpopular- earlier RAPs I’d imagine. Weekends and holidays. The good news is the company is so short of FOs- 737 FOs in particular, and particularly in MIA- that even a new hire can expect a decent amount of Premium Reserve if willing to work a garbage 5 day or whatever. You’ll most likely be able to hold a line on either fleet by at least the 6 month point, most likely way earlier.
Both 737 and 320 in MIA. Both are “international” categories so can go pretty much anywhere AA flies. Bus category is smaller than 737 and a bit more senior. Both cover MIA, FLL, PBI. 737 trends toward 90/5/5 percentage trips out of those bases in order. Bus closer to 75/20/5. That’s very subject to change at a whim but seems to be the trend over past few years. 737 has more turns as a percentage of total flying than the bus, which locals like. Most of the turns are Caribbean, Mexico, Colombia, etc versus domestic. Bus has a TGU turn which is not popular and always in open time, MIA 737 also appears to have a higher number of turns as a percentage than western domiciles (LAX, PHX). Most 737 turns are out of MIA. PBI flying goes senior on both, but doesn’t appear to have a ton of turns... the handful that do exist go stupid senior.
Other than that, it’s got the same mix of 1-5 day trips as anywhere else. Commuters like commutable 4-5 days. Locals like easy turns and 2 days. Then a ton of people fall in between. Seniority is everything, surprise.
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Life at the bottom? Reserve, most likely short call. Mostly whatever is considered unpopular- earlier RAPs I’d imagine. Weekends and holidays. The good news is the company is so short of FOs- 737 FOs in particular, and particularly in MIA- that even a new hire can expect a decent amount of Premium Reserve if willing to work a garbage 5 day or whatever. You’ll most likely be able to hold a line on either fleet by at least the 6 month point, most likely way earlier.
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01-09-2022 | 06:48 AM
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The bids often favor one type of equipment over another. One might be heavy on 737 awards, the next might be heavy on 320 awards. I was on the Bus for 8 years as a FO and jumped to the 737 for upgrade because at the time the 737 was quite a bit more Junior. But two bids later, it’s about evened out. Oh well.
With the current movement, bid the airplane and base you want. The rest will work itself out in the wash.
01-09-2022 | 08:27 AM
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Things are in a lot of flux right now, it’s hard to have a solid answer. But in general the 320 is more senior to the 737, although I don’t know if if that difference matters a lot.
The bids often favor one type of equipment over another. One might be heavy on 737 awards, the next might be heavy on 320 awards. I was on the Bus for 8 years as a FO and jumped to the 737 for upgrade because at the time the 737 was quite a bit more Junior. But two bids later, it’s about evened out. Oh well.
With the current movement, bid the airplane and base you want. The rest will work itself out in the wash.
The bids often favor one type of equipment over another. One might be heavy on 737 awards, the next might be heavy on 320 awards. I was on the Bus for 8 years as a FO and jumped to the 737 for upgrade because at the time the 737 was quite a bit more Junior. But two bids later, it’s about evened out. Oh well.
With the current movement, bid the airplane and base you want. The rest will work itself out in the wash.
Thanks Huey
01-14-2022 | 12:44 PM
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Things are in a lot of flux right now, it’s hard to have a solid answer. But in general the 320 is more senior to the 737, although I don’t know if if that difference matters a lot.
The bids often favor one type of equipment over another. One might be heavy on 737 awards, the next might be heavy on 320 awards. I was on the Bus for 8 years as a FO and jumped to the 737 for upgrade because at the time the 737 was quite a bit more Junior. But two bids later, it’s about evened out. Oh well.
With the current movement, bid the airplane and base you want. The rest will work itself out in the wash.
The bids often favor one type of equipment over another. One might be heavy on 737 awards, the next might be heavy on 320 awards. I was on the Bus for 8 years as a FO and jumped to the 737 for upgrade because at the time the 737 was quite a bit more Junior. But two bids later, it’s about evened out. Oh well.
With the current movement, bid the airplane and base you want. The rest will work itself out in the wash.
Useful info. Thanks.
What is the bid lock from say A320 to B737 and also from A320/B737 to Widebody 777/787?
01-16-2022 | 09:52 PM
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01-18-2022 | 03:50 PM
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What is the difference between I and D? I assume it is international and domestic which brings me to my next question, why do they separate those pilot groups? A domestic 737 guy will never touch anything outside the country and an International guy is just doing all Canada and South of the border trips?
01-18-2022 | 04:04 PM
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What is the difference between I and D? I assume it is international and domestic which brings me to my next question, why do they separate those pilot groups? A domestic 737 guy will never touch anything outside the country and an International guy is just doing all Canada and South of the border trips?
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