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ny797 01-15-2023 07:55 PM


Originally Posted by Round Luggage (Post 3572105)
Sure they will need to dig into this to see what we can learn but the news is really sensationalizing this. They are reporting 1000 ft separation which produces a 3000 foot accelate-stop so mathematically they had the power up for a few seconds before a low speed abort. 🥱 system works.

Well, you’ve solidified yourself as a f’n moron. That controller just saved hundreds of lives. Had he looked away or not been on his game, this could have been an entirely different thread.

Irony that we just rolled out new procedures that affect some of the most critical moments of flight with zero training outside of an iPad bulletin?

AirBear 01-15-2023 08:14 PM


Originally Posted by Round Luggage (Post 3572105)
Sure they will need to dig into this to see what we can learn but the news is really sensationalizing this. They are reporting 1000 ft separation which produces a 3000 foot accelate-stop so mathematically they had the power up for a few seconds before a low speed abort. 🥱 system works.

I read they aborted at 103KIAS but that was just from comments on a post so take it FWIW.

Sunvox 01-16-2023 04:21 AM

There but for the Grace of God Go I, but a couple questions one of which was already asked above.

Do AA 777s have RAAS? Also, does AA not have an iPad or similar with live ground mapping?

Personally I can't imagine taking off and flying to London after this incident.

Shakinthefat 01-16-2023 05:32 AM


Originally Posted by Sunvox (Post 3572337)
There but for the Grace of God Go I, but a couple questions one of which was already asked above.

Do AA 777s have RAAS? Also, does AA not have an iPad or similar with live ground mapping?

Personally I can't imagine taking off and flying to London after this incident.

A possible Class A incident and you continue on duty will be something the NTSB will follow up on. This flight crew needed to call a time out, taxi back and remove themselves from the flight. I wonder if AA allowed them the fly the return trip back to the US.

sanicom3205 01-16-2023 05:40 AM


Originally Posted by Shakinthefat (Post 3572377)
A possible Class A incident and you continue on duty will be something the NTSB will follow up on. This flight crew needed to call a time out, taxi back and remove themselves from the flight. I wonder if AA allowed them the fly the return trip back to the US.

Maybe they really thought they were golden and would be vindicated by the tapes. Who knows what they were thinking, but I do know I feel bad for them.

thrust 01-16-2023 06:05 AM


Originally Posted by Shakinthefat (Post 3572377)
A possible Class A incident and you continue on duty will be something the NTSB will follow up on. This flight crew needed to call a time out, taxi back and remove themselves from the flight. I wonder if AA allowed them the fly the return trip back to the US.

They did not work the return flight.

rickair7777 01-16-2023 06:21 AM


Originally Posted by Shakinthefat (Post 3572377)
A possible Class A incident and you continue on duty will be something the NTSB will follow up on. This flight crew needed to call a time out, taxi back and remove themselves from the flight. I wonder if AA allowed them the fly the return trip back to the US.

Depends. If they debriefed and called their duty officer, then there's no particular regulatory reason not to continue. They did not have a near miss that might have traumatized them, DAL rejected and the AA crew didn't know anything until after it was over.

Certainly hope they honestly assessed their own fitness afterwards, but a pilot error does not make you unfit in and of itself.

hopp 01-16-2023 07:11 AM


Originally Posted by ny797 (Post 3572263)

Irony that we just rolled out new procedures that affect some of the most critical moments of flight with zero training outside of an iPad bulletin?

I don’t see the irony. I’ve looked at the new procedures and don’t see anything that could remotely effect this runway incursion. Did I miss something?

FLYMIA 01-16-2023 07:23 AM


Originally Posted by Sunvox (Post 3572337)
There but for the Grace of God Go I, but a couple questions one of which was already asked above.

Do AA 777s have RAAS? Also, does AA not have an iPad or similar with live ground mapping?

Personally I can't imagine taking off and flying to London after this incident.

We have Jepp FD PRO with moving map AMM airport charts. I’m not on the wide body so unsure of flight deck systems capability.

dwightkschrute 01-16-2023 07:38 AM

METAR at the time was for 10 miles vis and ceilings broken at about 2200 feet. I’m not sure how the Delta crew could miss a 777 taxing across their runway but I’m not here to pass judgement.

I got clearance to taxi across runway 11 in MSY a few years back. I looked to the right and saw a light twin (Cessna 310 possibly) over the threshold. I told the captain to stop, which he did (and I was ready on the brakes). I told tower that we were holding short for landing traffic. After a few seconds of silence he responded with American 123, hold short runway 11.

Point being is that anyone can make a mistake and if the crew or controller don’t catch it, then it can have deadly consequences.


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