Spirit vs AA
04-12-2023 | 12:34 PM
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Lol. This made me chuckle. Thank you for that. You're shooting up some really strong hopium if you think that the pay at NK/B6 will beat whatever AA gets out of this new contract. But I love the optimism... save that for the merger.
04-12-2023 | 02:13 PM
#32
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Former junior NK CA now at AA….
The initial pay cut was a real kick in the teeth, but that’s not AA’s fault. Reserve is marginally better in my opinion. Rebidding raps every day kinda sucks, but proffering for trips in open time is kinda nice. The ability to change your schedule when holding a line is definitively worse. I’ve had zero issues with crusty old CA’s hating life. Most seem to be happy to have a partner who isn’t rehashing the foibles of the last 20 years all day and wallowing in that depressive mire. Most are as willing to have as much fun as you. I would say the flight attendants are a mixed bag. Some are great, and a lot seem used to butting heads with different employee groups and merger buddies.
The schedules are fine imo. Less red eyes than I did at NK. By a lot. I’m doing a fair amount of quasi regional flying because of the shortages. The standard 3 hour Spirit leg isn’t a thing here. Hotels are about even. Most of the planes are very…experienced. You’re kinda spoiled at NK with an extremely uniform and young fleet. There’s tons of support. You just have to find where it’s at. Airline food is airline food, but it does the job if you don’t want to haul supplies around for 4-6 days at a time.
I wasn’t looking to leave NK. The great displacement, a spouse unwilling to move and merger uncertainty made the risk of staying untenable. I still don’t know if I made the best decision. I don’t hate the move at all, and things will get better whenever a contract comes through, but I’ll need another 2-3 years before I know if pulling the eject handle at NK was the right call. Basically, would I have held my seat in my base after everything shakes out with B6 or not? Until then I’ll make the best of it and try to enjoy the opportunities before me. This will be a very different airline in many ways pretty shortly. I guess you could say the same about Spirit.
The initial pay cut was a real kick in the teeth, but that’s not AA’s fault. Reserve is marginally better in my opinion. Rebidding raps every day kinda sucks, but proffering for trips in open time is kinda nice. The ability to change your schedule when holding a line is definitively worse. I’ve had zero issues with crusty old CA’s hating life. Most seem to be happy to have a partner who isn’t rehashing the foibles of the last 20 years all day and wallowing in that depressive mire. Most are as willing to have as much fun as you. I would say the flight attendants are a mixed bag. Some are great, and a lot seem used to butting heads with different employee groups and merger buddies.
The schedules are fine imo. Less red eyes than I did at NK. By a lot. I’m doing a fair amount of quasi regional flying because of the shortages. The standard 3 hour Spirit leg isn’t a thing here. Hotels are about even. Most of the planes are very…experienced. You’re kinda spoiled at NK with an extremely uniform and young fleet. There’s tons of support. You just have to find where it’s at. Airline food is airline food, but it does the job if you don’t want to haul supplies around for 4-6 days at a time.
I wasn’t looking to leave NK. The great displacement, a spouse unwilling to move and merger uncertainty made the risk of staying untenable. I still don’t know if I made the best decision. I don’t hate the move at all, and things will get better whenever a contract comes through, but I’ll need another 2-3 years before I know if pulling the eject handle at NK was the right call. Basically, would I have held my seat in my base after everything shakes out with B6 or not? Until then I’ll make the best of it and try to enjoy the opportunities before me. This will be a very different airline in many ways pretty shortly. I guess you could say the same about Spirit.
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04-12-2023 | 07:55 PM
#33
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Former junior NK CA now at AA….
The initial pay cut was a real kick in the teeth, but that’s not AA’s fault. Reserve is marginally better in my opinion. Rebidding raps every day kinda sucks, but proffering for trips in open time is kinda nice. The ability to change your schedule when holding a line is definitively worse. I’ve had zero issues with crusty old CA’s hating life. Most seem to be happy to have a partner who isn’t rehashing the foibles of the last 20 years all day and wallowing in that depressive mire. Most are as willing to have as much fun as you. I would say the flight attendants are a mixed bag. Some are great, and a lot seem used to butting heads with different employee groups and merger buddies.
The schedules are fine imo. Less red eyes than I did at NK. By a lot. I’m doing a fair amount of quasi regional flying because of the shortages. The standard 3 hour Spirit leg isn’t a thing here. Hotels are about even. Most of the planes are very…experienced. You’re kinda spoiled at NK with an extremely uniform and young fleet. There’s tons of support. You just have to find where it’s at. Airline food is airline food, but it does the job if you don’t want to haul supplies around for 4-6 days at a time.
I wasn’t looking to leave NK. The great displacement, a spouse unwilling to move and merger uncertainty made the risk of staying untenable. I still don’t know if I made the best decision. I don’t hate the move at all, and things will get better whenever a contract comes through, but I’ll need another 2-3 years before I know if pulling the eject handle at NK was the right call. Basically, would I have held my seat in my base after everything shakes out with B6 or not? Until then I’ll make the best of it and try to enjoy the opportunities before me. This will be a very different airline in many ways pretty shortly. I guess you could say the same about Spirit.
The initial pay cut was a real kick in the teeth, but that’s not AA’s fault. Reserve is marginally better in my opinion. Rebidding raps every day kinda sucks, but proffering for trips in open time is kinda nice. The ability to change your schedule when holding a line is definitively worse. I’ve had zero issues with crusty old CA’s hating life. Most seem to be happy to have a partner who isn’t rehashing the foibles of the last 20 years all day and wallowing in that depressive mire. Most are as willing to have as much fun as you. I would say the flight attendants are a mixed bag. Some are great, and a lot seem used to butting heads with different employee groups and merger buddies.
The schedules are fine imo. Less red eyes than I did at NK. By a lot. I’m doing a fair amount of quasi regional flying because of the shortages. The standard 3 hour Spirit leg isn’t a thing here. Hotels are about even. Most of the planes are very…experienced. You’re kinda spoiled at NK with an extremely uniform and young fleet. There’s tons of support. You just have to find where it’s at. Airline food is airline food, but it does the job if you don’t want to haul supplies around for 4-6 days at a time.
I wasn’t looking to leave NK. The great displacement, a spouse unwilling to move and merger uncertainty made the risk of staying untenable. I still don’t know if I made the best decision. I don’t hate the move at all, and things will get better whenever a contract comes through, but I’ll need another 2-3 years before I know if pulling the eject handle at NK was the right call. Basically, would I have held my seat in my base after everything shakes out with B6 or not? Until then I’ll make the best of it and try to enjoy the opportunities before me. This will be a very different airline in many ways pretty shortly. I guess you could say the same about Spirit.
04-13-2023 | 11:27 AM
#34
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I wasn’t at NK but after reading the first reply I have to say as someone hired 8 months ago, 3.5 months on the line I’ve had a completely different experience.
1st. Yes there’s some of those folks and they got screwed so they’re mad and will be until the retire. Guess what? They’ll all be gone pretty much in the next 5 years or so. AA will be a completely different pilot group. I’ve had a blast with the pilots of flown with, tiny percentage maybe are upset about things but doesn’t interfere with work and still good people.
2. Schedule. Not sure where he’s based but my first line last month I traded around trips and had all weekends off beside 1 weekend because I chose to enjoy a 24 hour Aruba layover. This month April I practically dropped all my trips down so 4 days of work in April and then picked up trips of my liking and days of my liking. So either I’m lucky or people just don’t know how to use the system. (And many don’t because when we speak about this they keep asking me to teach them)
3. First year pay things does suck, and Union and AA already agreed to 2023 hires and on for DOH pay anniversary. If it stays 2023 and on I get hosed and so do many others so I hope it’ll include everyone. But anyone hired now will not have that problem. And pay rates might be little more now but AA will go wayy above NK rates. And here’s the funny thing, people say NK is more bla bla because they just got an increase. Once AA blows those rates out of the park they’ll say, wellll they just got a contract wait until we get the merger contract…
In short I have many friends that came from NK and don’t regret it at all.
1st. Yes there’s some of those folks and they got screwed so they’re mad and will be until the retire. Guess what? They’ll all be gone pretty much in the next 5 years or so. AA will be a completely different pilot group. I’ve had a blast with the pilots of flown with, tiny percentage maybe are upset about things but doesn’t interfere with work and still good people.
2. Schedule. Not sure where he’s based but my first line last month I traded around trips and had all weekends off beside 1 weekend because I chose to enjoy a 24 hour Aruba layover. This month April I practically dropped all my trips down so 4 days of work in April and then picked up trips of my liking and days of my liking. So either I’m lucky or people just don’t know how to use the system. (And many don’t because when we speak about this they keep asking me to teach them)
3. First year pay things does suck, and Union and AA already agreed to 2023 hires and on for DOH pay anniversary. If it stays 2023 and on I get hosed and so do many others so I hope it’ll include everyone. But anyone hired now will not have that problem. And pay rates might be little more now but AA will go wayy above NK rates. And here’s the funny thing, people say NK is more bla bla because they just got an increase. Once AA blows those rates out of the park they’ll say, wellll they just got a contract wait until we get the merger contract…
In short I have many friends that came from NK and don’t regret it at all.
04-13-2023 | 09:39 PM
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Hopefully you’re aware of the B6 new current rates and their Snap-Up language?
04-13-2023 | 10:35 PM
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Current A320 B6 12Yr CA - 320/hr, Aug 1 2023 - 330/hr, Aug 1 2024 - 340/hr w/Snap-Up…how’s that compare to current AA 320/737 Rate? I’m certainly hoping for a great AA contract, and I’m sure AA will exceed B6 rates, but it sounded like you weren’t aware of the B6 rates and the Snap-Up language.
The point is for the original poster, with Snap-Up language and post B6/NK merger, everyone on a 320 will be very close to each other on Narrow Body rates, so maybe consider QOL of all the Top 5 airlines, since we are all essentially making the same money.
The only difference between a B6/NK career in the future (w/snap-up) and an AA (post-contract) will be wide-body considerations. On that topic, there’s a very good chance B6 will have an A321LR/XLR rate similar to 75/76 pay for their Europe flying post JCBA, because that will likely be industry standard on the A321LR/XLR for most airlines.
Just something to consider for original poster.
The point is for the original poster, with Snap-Up language and post B6/NK merger, everyone on a 320 will be very close to each other on Narrow Body rates, so maybe consider QOL of all the Top 5 airlines, since we are all essentially making the same money.
The only difference between a B6/NK career in the future (w/snap-up) and an AA (post-contract) will be wide-body considerations. On that topic, there’s a very good chance B6 will have an A321LR/XLR rate similar to 75/76 pay for their Europe flying post JCBA, because that will likely be industry standard on the A321LR/XLR for most airlines.
Just something to consider for original poster.
04-14-2023 | 04:57 AM
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Current A320 B6 12Yr CA - 320/hr, Aug 1 2023 - 330/hr, Aug 1 2024 - 340/hr w/Snap-Up…how’s that compare to current AA 320/737 Rate? I’m certainly hoping for a great AA contract, and I’m sure AA will exceed B6 rates, but it sounded like you weren’t aware of the B6 rates and the Snap-Up language.
The point is for the original poster, with Snap-Up language and post B6/NK merger, everyone on a 320 will be very close to each other on Narrow Body rates, so maybe consider QOL of all the Top 5 airlines, since we are all essentially making the same money.
The only difference between a B6/NK career in the future (w/snap-up) and an AA (post-contract) will be wide-body considerations. On that topic, there’s a very good chance B6 will have an A321LR/XLR rate similar to 75/76 pay for their Europe flying post JCBA, because that will likely be industry standard on the A321LR/XLR for most airlines.
Just something to consider for original poster.
The point is for the original poster, with Snap-Up language and post B6/NK merger, everyone on a 320 will be very close to each other on Narrow Body rates, so maybe consider QOL of all the Top 5 airlines, since we are all essentially making the same money.
The only difference between a B6/NK career in the future (w/snap-up) and an AA (post-contract) will be wide-body considerations. On that topic, there’s a very good chance B6 will have an A321LR/XLR rate similar to 75/76 pay for their Europe flying post JCBA, because that will likely be industry standard on the A321LR/XLR for most airlines.
Just something to consider for original poster.
You guys on here comparing your “ink not even dry” pay rates to AA’s ten year old contract is pathetic to say the least.
Last edited by El Peso; 04-14-2023 at 05:08 AM.
04-14-2023 | 05:39 AM
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$340 in 2024? In case you didn’t notice Delta’s will be north of $370 for a narrow body. So a massive failure by B6. What’s B6 profit sharing looking like? What kind of retro did you guys get? How does your holiday pay work? AA currently has Deltas offer on the table on both pay and PS, but we’re not fixated on that alone.
You guys on here comparing your “ink not even dry” pay rates to AA’s ten year old contract is pathetic to say the least.
You guys on here comparing your “ink not even dry” pay rates to AA’s ten year old contract is pathetic to say the least.
04-14-2023 | 05:48 AM
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JetBlue was at $283/hour even before the extension, on par with AA at the narrowbody level. So yeah it’s not some crazy idea in regards to how they’ll compare after a JCBA.
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