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Old 04-14-2023 | 12:19 PM
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All we got at AA is a contract extension on a bankruptcy contract and not even hypothetical rates in a future contract…
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Old 04-14-2023 | 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Clear Right
Yes, a contract extension with new rates until JCBA, but Snap Up is annually calculated, so always improves with peer group.

Jan 1 2023 DL 12Yr A321 CA $336.89 / 320 CA 335.13
Aug 1 2023 B6 12Yr A320/321 $330.00
2024 DL + 5% = A321 $354, A320 $352 rounded up.
2024 B6 $340

Again, I personally don’t see how B6 is soo far off as some folks opine, considering a JCBA post Merger and Snap Up language every year until the JCBA…but to each their own. Good luck in negotiations. May all pilots benefit from new rates. Good Luck!
Look at Delta's 321N rates... Jetblue's snap up excludes these rates... Snap up also includes Alaska rates which shouldn't be in there after LOA17... Still no profit sharing
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Old 04-14-2023 | 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Clear Right
Can we at least agree you’re not accounting for Snap-Up between now 2026, so again, not necessarily a good comparison of B6 2024 vs DL 2026 rates? As I said before, fully wishing a sincere contract improvement for AA. Best of luck to all pilots.
Yes we can agree on that. What’s the snap language again? Average of the big four or something?
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Old 04-14-2023 | 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by AllYourBaseAreB
All we got at AA is a contract extension on a bankruptcy contract and not even hypothetical rates in a future contract…
I don’t know what you’re talking about. We’re in negotiations still and didn’t get any extension. There’s not going to be any contract extensions of any sort anyways so again you lost me. We’re in the middle of a full rewrite as we speak. Are you taking about 2013 or something?
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Old 04-14-2023 | 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by El Peso
I don’t know what you’re talking about. We’re in negotiations still and didn’t get any extension. There’s not going to be any contract extensions of any sort anyways so again you lost me. We’re in the middle of a full rewrite as we speak. Are you taking about 2013 or something?
he’s talking about what the JCBA effectively is. An extension of the green book.
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Old 04-14-2023 | 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by El Peso
Yes we can agree on that. What’s the snap language again? Average of the big four or something?
Yes and Alaska, not including delta 321neo rates. Snapshot in August. So if someone gets a raise after august you have to wait until the next year for the pay to snap up
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Old 04-14-2023 | 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by El Peso
I don’t know what you’re talking about. We’re in negotiations still and didn’t get any extension. There’s not going to be any contract extensions of any sort anyways so again you lost me. We’re in the middle of a full rewrite as we speak. Are you taking about 2013 or something?
I’m talking about the garbage we got now. So don’t be flexing on JB guys cuz they took the money knowing full well a JCBA negotiation is likely coming down the pike anyways… meanwhile we are 6 years beyond the original amendable date of our contract which itself is largely based off a 2003 concessionary contract…
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Old 04-15-2023 | 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by 0scarAlpha
Look at Delta's 321N rates... Jetblue's snap up excludes these rates... Snap up also includes Alaska rates which shouldn't be in there after LOA17... Still no profit sharing
^^^This^^^ We agree on this 100% B6 needs 321N/ETOPS rate and profit sharing on par. Alaska rates excluded would be nice, but they have Snap Up as well, so eventually Top 6 should all improve once AA, WN, and UA get new contracts.

Which brings the discussion back to the original poster’s question. If we can all agree that A321/320 rates, 737 rates will all be ballpark for the Top 6 airlines, when the dust settles on all contracts w/Snap Up being industry standard now.

If one assumes you’re going to spend the majority of your career on narrow body iron…Then the real question comes down to living in Domicile, wide body flying and QOL contract language. IMHO
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Old 04-15-2023 | 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by AllYourBaseAreB
I’m talking about the garbage we got now. So don’t be flexing on JB guys cuz they took the money knowing full well a JCBA negotiation is likely coming down the pike anyways… meanwhile we are 6 years beyond the original amendable date of our contract which itself is largely based off a 2003 concessionary contract…
Relax guy. And the amendable date was Jan 1, 2020 (not six years ago).
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Old 04-15-2023 | 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by El Peso
Relax guy. And the amendable date was Jan 1, 2020 (not six years ago).
we extended the contract, or did you forget
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