AIP Reached
05-19-2023, 11:26 AM
#21
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Delta released a pretty good cliff notes version of their TA the same day it was announced. Do you expect that from APA?
05-19-2023, 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by WakeWash
Literally quoted the guy above me saying that’s what APA has stated, pal. And so far all “leaks” have claimed it’s even to Deltas pay. And as I stated, if it was industry leading don’t you think the AIP announcement would’ve claimed that?
And the only pay rates leak we’ve seen that isn’t even final language is 21/5/4/4, and 2% on amendable date. And it wasn’t even agreed upon and its from about a week ago. Do you have a link to deltas new rates? We can see how that example would compare.
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05-19-2023, 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by El Peso
You quoted me initially. Then claimed that “we’re not getting a pay raise because it can be snapped up to”. You actually think that we’re not going to get a pay raise in this deal? And no one has seen the rates yet. I think they’ll surpass Delta’s. And yes APA also wants something that can’t be snapped up to. What are you struggling with here, pal?
And the only pay rates leak we’ve seen that isn’t even final language is 21/5/4/4, and 2% on amendable date. And it wasn’t even agreed upon and its from about a week ago. Do you have a link to deltas new rates? We can see how that example would compare.
And the only pay rates leak we’ve seen that isn’t even final language is 21/5/4/4, and 2% on amendable date. And it wasn’t even agreed upon and its from about a week ago. Do you have a link to deltas new rates? We can see how that example would compare.
05-19-2023, 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by WakeWash
There’s no limit on Delta’s snap up. So how do you reach something that can’t be snap upped to? You either meet Delta’s pay rates or you come under them. What’s so hard to understand about that’s? You’re quite literally fighting your own statement. I also didn’t say no pay raise. I said we aren’t going to get you more, as in more than whatever it takes to reach Delta.
Again, do you have a snapshot of deltas new pay table? We can use the rumored numbers to compare right now how the two stack up.
05-19-2023, 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by El Peso
APA was talking about the contract as a whole. Delta doesn’t have a snap up on every single work rule and section do they? Obviously not. So getting a better provision in something like pairing distribution or some other scheduling items would be an example of something that can’t be snapped up to. You’re talking about just pay rates.
Again, do you have a snapshot of deltas new pay table? We can use the rumored numbers to compare right now how the two stack up.
Again, do you have a snapshot of deltas new pay table? We can use the rumored numbers to compare right now how the two stack up.
https://www.airlinepilotcareers.com/delta-air-lines
05-19-2023, 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Kebert Xela
Believe these are accurate
https://www.airlinepilotcareers.com/delta-air-lines
https://www.airlinepilotcareers.com/delta-air-lines
05-19-2023, 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Kebert Xela
Believe these are accurate
https://www.airlinepilotcareers.com/delta-air-lines
https://www.airlinepilotcareers.com/delta-air-lines
05-19-2023, 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Fly76
we’ll go over Delta rates in some places. But then delta snap up willl go above us so we won’t be higher than Delta.
05-19-2023, 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by WakeWash
There’s no limit on Delta’s snap up. So how do you reach something that can’t be snap upped to? You either meet Delta’s pay rates or you come under them. What’s so hard to understand about that’s? You’re quite literally fighting your own statement. I also didn’t say no pay raise. I said we aren’t going to get you more, as in more than whatever it takes to reach Delta.
All you would have to do, is make AA’s pay a penny above DL’s, which would snap up DL’s 1%. Then, have a AA clause that you snapped up X% above DL’s rate. Delta’s would not snap up a second time. Bingo, you would have industry-leading rates.
05-19-2023, 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Gspeed
The Delta snap only occurs if the AA top rate exceeds the Delta top rate.
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