Originally Posted by Varks

Listen to Sicher, Torres podcast. Definitely a different tone from Ed. I think the meeting with the person with mediation experience shed some light on that subject. Long haul if we go that route.

Originally Posted by LineUpAndPay

Where are these podcasts?

Originally Posted by OpieTaylor

From what I can tell the blended rate is just Group 1 with the same increases as Group 2-5.

They then created a Group 1.5 with only 2 aircraft in it.

AA Group 1 pay is currently 20% below JB.
AA Group 2 pay is currently 2% below JB.

RJs aren’t listed in the AIP, so not sure if they would qualify to blend the rate down.

The 190 and 195, are the only viable aircraft listed in the AIP to blend down C series or E2.

That aircraft is squarely already in Group 1 with a 12 year CA rate of a whopping $180 as of 2019.

Getting the C series and E2 out of group 1 was a smart move, agreeing that it blends down to 1 common pay rate with other group 1 aircraft is only a lability if you are certain the CRJ-9/700 and 175 count as group 1.

I wouldn’t think they would add two fleet types so 0 chance of blending down C series and small chance that they buy 50 E2 and 50 190s and the rate is blended down, but they already have a terrible rate for the 190 and are actually blending it back up.

Originally Posted by ACEssXfer

The pay rate table says "C series and smaller" blended rate. Will need to wait for language but a CRJ9 and an E175 are both smaller. It's an out for the company. They are already paying those rates at the regionals. Now they'll get to still pay those same rates but also get the C series at a huge discount.

They know they can never pull back on their "temporary" rates at the regionals or recruiting would instantly dry up. Paying less for the C series and the same for RJs is their workaround. It's smart and I can't believe the union fell for it.

Originally Posted by ACEssXfer

The pay rate table says "C series and smaller" blended rate. Will need to wait for language but a CRJ9 and an E175 are both smaller. It's an out for the company. They are already paying those rates at the regionals. Now they'll get to still pay those same rates but also get the C series at a huge discount.

They know they can never pull back on their "temporary" rates at the regionals or recruiting would instantly dry up. Paying less for the C series and the same for RJs is their workaround. It's smart and I can't believe the union fell for it.

Originally Posted by Flyinguy

lol, yea. Every CEO's goal is to pay wages on par with recession and then when it happens, they shout for joy those wages are justified...

No CEO actually wants the economy or their business to thrive.

Originally Posted by ACEssXfer

The pay rate table says "C series and smaller" blended rate. Will need to wait for language but a CRJ9 and an E175 are both smaller. It's an out for the company. They are already paying those rates at the regionals. Now they'll get to still pay those same rates but also get the C series at a huge discount.

They know they can never pull back on their "temporary" rates at the regionals or recruiting would instantly dry up. Paying less for the C series and the same for RJs is their workaround. It's smart and I can't believe the union fell for it.

Originally Posted by FNGFO

Clearly, but they’re happy to push off a contract for said recession when it’s a given looming on the horizon.

Suggesting that I posited CEO’s just randomly hope for downturns from that post would be a special failure of reading comprehension.

Originally Posted by TankerDriver

There is no recession. There won't be a recession. "Experts" said there'd be a recession by Q2 2023. Here we are and the NASDAQ is booming and the S&P is up 1.5% as of last week. This inflation was self-inflicted by limited supply of commodities through COVID lockdowns and paying people more to stay home from work. Businesses were forced to bring people back at higher pay rates during the rebound and had to raise the prices of their services to pay them. Income for low-wage workers went up 10% since pandemic, but.... let's raise interest rates. That'll help. All that did was destroy a few banks. People are still buying homes and cars at 6.5-7% loans and they'll refinance when things get back to normal. This cycle has gone on for decades. We're going into elections. There won't be a recession.

Originally Posted by APCbot

Except we had 2 quarters of shrinking GDP. Oh wait I forgot they changed the definition of a recession, and revised some numbers.