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05-24-2023 | 02:51 PM
#221
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Pay tables are good. QOL provisions are lacking. Guys on their way out (which won’t have to deal with this contract for long) will vote yes. It’s the nature of an industry based on seniority, get yours and pull up the latter. Guys on their way in, well guys a year past on their way in anyway, will be frustrated by this but I see enough people in the middles voting yes for this to pass.
05-24-2023 | 03:00 PM
#222
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There’s a lot of small issues I can look past. Annoying, but probably not worth killing it over.
That being said, the Group 1 “Snap-Down” blended rate is a no-go for me. Anyone who thinks the company doesn’t plan to use that section is fooling themselves and I won’t be party to voting for a B-scale.
That being said, the Group 1 “Snap-Down” blended rate is a no-go for me. Anyone who thinks the company doesn’t plan to use that section is fooling themselves and I won’t be party to voting for a B-scale.
05-24-2023 | 03:25 PM
#223
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There’s a lot of small issues I can look past. Annoying, but probably not worth killing it over.
That being said, the Group 1 “Snap-Down” blended rate is a no-go for me. Anyone who thinks the company doesn’t plan to use that section is fooling themselves and I won’t be party to voting for a B-scale.
That being said, the Group 1 “Snap-Down” blended rate is a no-go for me. Anyone who thinks the company doesn’t plan to use that section is fooling themselves and I won’t be party to voting for a B-scale.
05-24-2023 | 03:32 PM
#224
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Joined: Jul 2008
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There’s a lot of small issues I can look past. Annoying, but probably not worth killing it over.
That being said, the Group 1 “Snap-Down” blended rate is a no-go for me. Anyone who thinks the company doesn’t plan to use that section is fooling themselves and I won’t be party to voting for a B-scale.
That being said, the Group 1 “Snap-Down” blended rate is a no-go for me. Anyone who thinks the company doesn’t plan to use that section is fooling themselves and I won’t be party to voting for a B-scale.
05-24-2023 | 04:01 PM
#225
Down goes Frazier
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From: AB FO
Not all pay rates are the same for group 1. Idk what they meant by the snap-down, but I did find a snap-up for the A220-300.
AAL 2nd year FO on the 220-1 ($153.40), 220-3 ($166.60), and E195 (125.29).
DAL 2nd year FO on the 220-1 ($153.40), 220-3 ($159.95), and E195 (125.29).
The “blended” rates they’re referring to is anything smaller than an A220-1/E195 have the same pay rates.
Example: E190 and E175 would be the same pay rates. The E190 pay rates at DAL and AAL are identical. DAL included the CRJ900 only, AAL is any A/C smaller than the E190 matches E190 pay rates.
Hopefully that answers your question. I did my best to make it less confusing.
AAL 2nd year FO on the 220-1 ($153.40), 220-3 ($166.60), and E195 (125.29).
DAL 2nd year FO on the 220-1 ($153.40), 220-3 ($159.95), and E195 (125.29).
The “blended” rates they’re referring to is anything smaller than an A220-1/E195 have the same pay rates.
Example: E190 and E175 would be the same pay rates. The E190 pay rates at DAL and AAL are identical. DAL included the CRJ900 only, AAL is any A/C smaller than the E190 matches E190 pay rates.
Hopefully that answers your question. I did my best to make it less confusing.
Last edited by RippinClapBombs; 05-24-2023 at 04:28 PM.
05-24-2023 | 04:33 PM
#227
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I'm afraid you're right, this will pass.
05-24-2023 | 05:02 PM
#228
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No penalty for middle seat deadhead
no improvement to TTS
No improvement to sick
no improvement to pairing credit
no snap up
vacation improvement underwhelming
Jumpseat not included into BOW
RO improvements underwhelming
many concessions including reserve, SIT time now over 2.5 hours
no backpay by those screwed by 401K first year or pay date differences
"industry leading pairing construction" is a lie
no improvement to STD. Really still $50 a week?
Now your turn, tell me the significant QOL gains
no improvement to TTS
No improvement to sick
no improvement to pairing credit
no snap up
vacation improvement underwhelming
Jumpseat not included into BOW
RO improvements underwhelming
many concessions including reserve, SIT time now over 2.5 hours
no backpay by those screwed by 401K first year or pay date differences
"industry leading pairing construction" is a lie
no improvement to STD. Really still $50 a week?
Now your turn, tell me the significant QOL gains
05-24-2023 | 05:27 PM
#229
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Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 900
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I just don’t get this “can’t watch kids grow up, never home bs”. If you can’t either work the system or bid appropriately to get 15-18 days off a month and make at least 75 hours, then you are an outlier. It’s not hard. Why does wanting to be pizzzaid mean you can’t keep finances in order? The lost decade was real. 18 year FO was real. And now, 2.5 year upgrades are real. The wank fest between you and Imsopuss is draaining.
05-24-2023 | 05:29 PM
#230
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Joined: Oct 2005
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There’s a lot of small issues I can look past. Annoying, but probably not worth killing it over.
That being said, the Group 1 “Snap-Down” blended rate is a no-go for me. Anyone who thinks the company doesn’t plan to use that section is fooling themselves and I won’t be party to voting for a B-scale.
That being said, the Group 1 “Snap-Down” blended rate is a no-go for me. Anyone who thinks the company doesn’t plan to use that section is fooling themselves and I won’t be party to voting for a B-scale.
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