dsevo

Yep. In addition, I don’t think we should take for granted that the wholly owned regionals would be stapled if they were to brought over to mainline. SLIs never seem to be clean.

highfarfast

Yeah, you got me. I misspelled a word. Or maybe I mistyped a word and my phone autocorrected incorrectly. Who knows? I certainly don't remember now because it was unimportant. You win the internet for today. /rolleyes/

And if you bothered to try to comprehend, despite my spelling issues, you'd have comprehended that I did actually say it was more than just senior guys. Just that this is weighted heavily toward them and the percentage of their vote will be counted that way. There's enough middle guys that will just look at the pay and go "yeah baby, yeah" without any further investigation. This was essentially covered in my first post. But you know "latter" and all. /rolleyes/

jetlagclub

This is so true. I dont see how a visual representation is an improvement of QOL.
"Published OTL visual representation"

thats an inprovement to the field of vision that will allow us to see how we are getting something inserted into us.

Count my vote for ALPA

FLYMIA

This thing is going to pass easily. Yes, everyone wants better scheduling flexibility and more gains that haven’t been achieved. However, I haven’t spoke to one person that truly wants to fight for those things for another two years while operating under the current contract. I will say that during the last two weeks prior to the AIP I was getting very motivated by the way captains weren’t leaning forward and mission hacking, not to mention nothing was getting looked over and the “put it in the book” campaign was truly happening.
To me, there was a real sense of “unity” that was palpable at least from my perspective. That being said when the AIP was announced, I could hear the fizzle. Delta ALPA delivered us a huge win, APA failed to get us the QOL gains. If AA doesn’t want to give more sick time and allow people to drop just one trip, then people will bang out sick once a month to have schedule control and I think the company knows and doesn’t care. DAL ALPA got us here, APA will sign on the line that is dotted and AA ALPA will definitely be negotiating the next contract hopefully focusing all about QOL and not much in compensation in 10 years from now.

thrust

Agreed- I think even though this passes easily, APA is done. ALPA merger is coming.

El Peso

Sweet! So you’re saying we too can have a tumi TA? And it’ll only cost us an additional 1.5% in dues. No thanks.

Race Bannon

Do you only pay .3% in dues at APA? That's a little hard to believe. ALPA dues are 1.85% I believe.

thrust

I don’t think ALPA will be the savior some think it’ll be… but I doubt it’ll be any worse.

FangsF15

That’s correct. I would also expect with an influx of 16-18,000 more pilots, and their sizable dues in raw dollars, a resolution to lower the percentage even further would pass. Maybe even as a condition of rejoining? We’d love to have y’all back, and we’d all be better for it, IMO.


Doubtful. Just for context, at DL in 2015, we voted down “TA1” in July 2015. TA2 was passed in Oct 2016. So 15 months from “No” to passage of a new contract via NLRB mediation, including mass recalls of reps and a changeout of the Master Chairman and NC.

We had much more to fix in our Contract 15 debacle than would need fixing for y’all now…. And y’all have already done the recalls and change in leadership. FWIW.

ImSoSuss

APA needs to go. I don’t care if it is Teamsters, something needs to change. AA has basically had their way with APA for far too long. Time to get something that has a National backbone.