Originally Posted by RaginCajun (Post 3666752)

So where does this put the vote % @ AAL? 70/30 to pass the approved UPA next month?

Originally Posted by Al Czervik (Post 3666970)

it will fail after the UAL AIP.

Originally Posted by Margaritaville (Post 3665154)

I stand corrected.

I'm sure the Delta boys will enjoy their 2 pilot ocean crossings. But I digress.

I'm still not sure this is the hill to die on since single pilot pax ops is unlikely during the remainder of our careers (especially for those of us over 40) and lets face it if automation actually does progress to the level needed, the union will just be forced to negotiate that away anyhow. It's not like they've never given up anything in a contract before. But if this is your sword to fall on then I guess you've made up your mind how you're voting.

I'd rather take the money and moderate QOL improvements now rather than hold out for something that's probably moot.

Originally Posted by Margaritaville (Post 3667056)

Yeah I change my vote. After reading the UA TA we're suckers if we vote this in. But We're the lAArgest greAAtest AAirline.

Management and APA need to pull our agreement and go back in the room.

Or maybe voting in ALPA is a lock now.

Originally Posted by StoneQOLdCrazy (Post 3666675)

Here's the next step. APA begs Isom to match UA and DAL payrates. Done. Zero lifting. Yet another missed opportunity for AA pilots to raise the bar, which is what pattern bargaining is all about.
Stay far away from ALPA. We don't want you.

Originally Posted by TankerDriver (Post 3667084)

So can APA retract the BOD vote at this point or does this go to the membership anyway? Can they halt the membership vote and go back to negotiations? We still have a lot of work to do to get our TA up to United's AIP. If our TA passes, we will still have a below "standard" contract compared to our peers.

Originally Posted by Red Forman (Post 3667125)

Don’t fall off your high horse. The only reason Delta got what they did is because they have a buffoon at the top that put his foot right in his own mouth on national television. Congratulations!

Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 3667144)

Thats absurd. That gaffe moved the needle in the right direction, but we had already closed out the majority of the contract at that point. You’re just parroting the same nonsense that is oft repeated on here. The mediator didn’t like the fact that Ed said what he said on national TV. But that didn’t mean the mediator said, “you better give them a bunch of gains or else!”

We got the contract we did because our union representation aren’t a bunch of clowns like APA.