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OpieTaylor 07-15-2023 07:01 PM


Originally Posted by ACEssXfer (Post 3666726)
I don’t disagree with your premise.

What I do disagree with is that APA was ready for this. Adaptability is a 4 letter works for APA.

Yea, the only scary part is the rumor Ed made it personal by losing his temper. Once it’s personal it’s very hard to recover from.

Montcalm 07-15-2023 07:02 PM


Originally Posted by OpieTaylor (Post 3666735)
Well maybe try to reread it, with an additional ounce of humility.

Brother are you drunk?

CRJCapitan 07-15-2023 07:12 PM


Originally Posted by OpieTaylor (Post 3666738)
Yea, the only scary part is the rumor Ed made it personal by losing his temper. Once it’s personal it’s very hard to recover from.

Do we any real evidence or knowledge of that? All I saw was some person posted a random anonymous text message saying that was the case lol

RaginCajun 07-15-2023 07:14 PM

So where does this put the vote % @ AAL? 70/30 to pass the approved UPA next month?

NuGuy 07-15-2023 07:15 PM


Originally Posted by FangsF15 (Post 3666500)
You said, rather loudly, "[DL] CURRENTLY DON’T HAVE FEILD STANBY." In the context of 'negotiating' for/against some form of Field Standby, I think it's relevant DL included that with 3:00 of Pay. Especially since that exactly what UA just matched. Wasn't trying to rub and noses in anything, just adding the greater context.

To be completely accurate, the VAS at DAL pays a minimum of 8:15. 3 hours is pay/no credit, which goes over a reserve guarantee, and 5:15 pay/credit. If you sit and do nothing, you get 8:15 at a minimum.

OpieTaylor 07-15-2023 07:17 PM


Originally Posted by Montcalm (Post 3666740)
Brother are you drunk?

Maybe a little, but I am not upset our TA doesn’t 1up Delta, upset because it is less than what we want for ourselves regardless of Delta.

Everyone wants better QOL at AA, some are willing to vote no to try and improve it, and some are willing to vote yes and continue to complain about QOL.

It seemed you have no actual goal except 1uping another carrier which sounds dumb and prideful to me especially since that has already happened last year.

JulesWinfield 07-15-2023 07:49 PM


Originally Posted by CRJCapitan (Post 3666750)
Do we any real evidence or knowledge of that? All I saw was some person posted a random anonymous text message saying that was the case lol

I buy it at face value, just hearing him on these town halls. He constantly interrupts other speakers to moan about something. Seems like a loose cannon.

El Peso 07-15-2023 10:40 PM


Originally Posted by T773ER (Post 3666636)
Along with higher monthly sick accrual rates, long duty day rigs, LC hours, deadhead, and crew meals just to name a few I’m sure there’s more.

If UA ratifies the soon to be TA, and AA ratifies this TA, than AA will no doubt have the weakest contract of the majors for the next 4 years if not longer. It’s time to do better.

Sorry, you didn’t know that we have crew meals already at AA?

JulesWinfield 07-16-2023 03:14 AM


Originally Posted by El Peso (Post 3666840)
Sorry, you didn’t know that we have crew meals already at AA?

United has multiple options chose from.

T773ER 07-16-2023 06:29 AM


Originally Posted by El Peso (Post 3666840)
Sorry, you didn’t know that we have crew meals already at AA?

I did know, can you pre select your meal days in advance from over a dozen options? And I’ll admit, that’s not a huge sticking point but it’s just one of many areas that the AA AIP is lagging in.


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