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Originally Posted by LAXtoDEN
(Post 3666479)
I can’t tell you if you’re a massive troll or just an idiot, but Delta and American never had FSB to negotiate because THEY CURRENTLY DON’T HAVE FEILD STANBY. Only one major airline pilot group had to suck that up for the last 5 years.
If that’s considered a “Win” for UAL ALPA it’s the most pathetic W in the history of airline bargaining. They shouldn’t have wasted a dime of barging on FSB. Again, for you slow people in the back. |
Originally Posted by LAXtoDEN
(Post 3666491)
About what exactly? Nothing be nervous about, 8’ll be receiving a nice snap up.
At least it's oddly comforting to know that some of you found a way to exist in realms beyond ours. |
Originally Posted by ImSoSuss
(Post 3666505)
You're slow on the uptake aren't ya? It is just one of many significant QOL gains they made on their contract. It is proof that if a Union is strong enough and doesn't run at the first "we asked and they said no" then a major change could have been made. For AA that could have been improved sick accrual (UA got that too), more days off for reserve (UA got that too), improved trip trading and restrictions on company lock-downs (I would of equated this major gain to UA's FSB removal) .
Again, for you slow people in the back. Would you call that a concession? I’m a little slow, so you tell me. |
Originally Posted by LAXtoDEN
(Post 3666479)
I can’t tell you if you’re a massive troll or just an idiot, but Delta and American never had FSB to negotiate because THEY CURRENTLY DON’T HAVE FEILD STANBY. Only one major airline pilot group had to suck that up for the last 5 years.
If that’s considered a “Win” for UAL ALPA it’s the most pathetic W in the history of airline bargaining. They shouldn’t have wasted a dime of barging on FSB. Here's a short summary: Increased Reserve days off to 13 in a 30-day bid period, and 14 days off in a 31-day bid period; for months of Jan, Feb, Mar, Apr, May, Sep, Oct, and Nov. Long Call Reserve •Assignments made 1200-1400, 14-hour call out (1015-1400 for LCR Pilots) •All other times 18-hour call out for a trip, 16-hour call out for a Short Call assignment •Release on last day prior to HDO moved up to 0600 Short Call Reserve •NEW - Short Call matrix will be published monthly •NEW - Cap on assigned Short Calls for traditional Reserves (not on a VEC or VSC line) = 6 (prorated based on available days) •NEW - Short Calls built after 1400 result in 1 hour of Add Pay •Release on last day moved earlier to 1400 NEW - Premium Short Call •Available for both Lineholders and Reserves to pick up •Short Call will pay 5:15 of LPV and 5:15 Add Pay per day •If no in base Pilot picks up the Premium Short Call the company may move the Short Call to another base as a Standby Reserve Trip First day of reserve pre-10am incentives •Pilot who picks up SC or FSB entitled to 1 hour of Add Pay •VEC pilot assigned a SC entitled to 1 hour of Add Pay A trip picked up or assigned entitled to 2 hours of Add Pay There's 7 pages of reserve provisions... how much thought did APA put into our reserves? |
Originally Posted by ImSoSuss
(Post 3666474)
HUGE! Absolutely huge!
For the people in the back, this is what it looks like to score a significant QOL gain during the most pilot friendly negotiating environment we have ever seen. BTW I do think that United exceeding our pay and getting 2023 retro back to Jan will flip yes voters here to NO. |
Originally Posted by El Peso
(Post 3666626)
They made huge improvements to reserve because that’s what it took just to bring them up to standard. You know kinda how our TA is worth 8.3B but Deltas was only like 7.6B. We had to make up a lot more ground. I can’t tell if you’re purposely pretending not to understand this or you’re actually this dumb?
BTW I do think that United exceeding our pay and getting 2023 retro back to Jan will flip yes voters here to NO. If UA ratifies the soon to be TA, and AA ratifies this TA, than AA will no doubt have the weakest contract of the majors for the next 4 years if not longer. It’s time to do better. |
From APA: "In response to today’s announcement that United Airlines has reached an agreement in principle with its pilots for a new collective bargaining agreement, your APA Board of Directors, National Officers, and key committees are carefully reviewing the United AIP and assessing its implications for our own Tentative Agreement.
American Airlines CEO Robert Isom has pledged to match our industry peers in the current bargaining environment. In the coming days, your union leadership will endeavor to determine whether Mr. Isom plans to follows through on that pledge in light of this latest development. As APA performs its due diligence and formulates next steps, we encourage you to likewise review the details of the United pilots’ AIP. Thank you for your continued engagement and support. We will update you as appropriate." |
Originally Posted by TankerDriver
(Post 3666646)
From APA: …
This is so embarrassing. |
Originally Posted by Montcalm
(Post 3666655)
They're panicking. Can we get real about going ALPA now?
This is so embarrassing. |
Originally Posted by LAXtoDEN
(Post 3666479)
I can’t tell you if you’re a massive troll or just an idiot, but Delta and American never had FSB to negotiate because THEY CURRENTLY DON’T HAVE FEILD STANBY. Only one major airline pilot group had to suck that up for the last 5 years.
If that’s considered a “Win” for UAL ALPA it’s the most pathetic W in the history of airline bargaining. They shouldn’t have wasted a dime of barging on FSB. Almost as big of a “win” as getting 5:15 for being flown into your day off. We really got them there! |
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