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Name User 07-15-2023 12:55 PM
Originally Posted by FangsF15 (Post 3666404)
Annnnnd.... UA just bypassed AA to the tune of about 2%. www.UPA23.com

I don't have a dog in your fight. But it might be a reason to consider voting no. Or even better, get APA to go back to mgmt and demand they match UA & DL.
If you would vote no over a <$2/hr difference, you're not seeing the rest of the picture. There may be legit reasons to vote no, but that isn't one of them.

AA has 12 year pay rate of $336.89 for nb CA, UA is $338.48, or $1.59 more if I am reading it right (they call it DOS, but that must be years of service not date of signing). Who cares...

TankerDriver 07-15-2023 12:56 PM
Ummm...... "No".

TankerDriver 07-15-2023 12:58 PM
Originally Posted by Name User (Post 3666410)
If you would vote no over a <$2/hr difference, you're not seeing the rest of the picture. There may be legit reasons to vote no, but that isn't one of them.

AA has 12 year pay rate of $336.89 for nb CA, UA is $338.48, or $1.59 more if I am reading it right (they call it DOS, but that must be years of service not date of signing). Who cares...
Who cares about the <$2? Read through the rest of it. It's all better than ours.

Rroku 07-15-2023 12:59 PM
You yes voters still a yes? United's is wAAy better than ours.

Name User 07-15-2023 01:05 PM
Originally Posted by TankerDriver (Post 3666413)
Who cares about the <$2? Read through the rest of it. It's all better than ours.
Which is what I wrote.

AA contract has some pretty good reserve stuff in there such as no call out time and no distance to live near base, UA has hot reserve, AA does not. Would you trade that? Would you throw the junior under the bus for the stuff in the UA contract? I bet most would but definitely not a great look.

TankerDriver 07-15-2023 01:06 PM
Originally Posted by Rroku (Post 3666415)
You yes voters still a yes? United's is wAAy better than ours.
We'll see how quickly the "take the money and run" people change their minds now...

ImSoSuss 07-15-2023 01:06 PM
Originally Posted by Name User (Post 3666410)
If you would vote no over a <$2/hr difference, you're not seeing the rest of the picture. There may be legit reasons to vote no, but that isn't one of them.

AA has 12 year pay rate of $336.89 for nb CA, UA is $338.48, or $1.59 more if I am reading it right (they call it DOS, but that must be years of service not date of signing). Who cares...
United pilots addressed QOL issues in their contract dramatically improving reserve rules, lineholder rules, and rigs. AA will be the 5th or 6th best Major to work at after all of this.

GTFO with your yes vote nonsense. NO NO NO NO!!

El Peso 07-15-2023 01:11 PM
Originally Posted by FangsF15 (Post 3666404)
Annnnnd.... UA just bypassed AA to the tune of about 2%. www.UPA23.com

I don't have a dog in your fight. But it might be a reason to consider voting no. Or even better, get APA to go back to mgmt and demand they beat UA & DL by a penny.
Top rate of 417.54 vs 421.72 is 1%. Where are you getting 2?

Did involuntary FSB survive?

I do think many will change to a no just on principle.

FangsF15 07-15-2023 01:13 PM
Originally Posted by Name User (Post 3665868)
New one

We eclipse UA's current contract with our TA
Originally Posted by Name User (Post 3666410)
If you would vote no over a <$2/hr difference, you're not seeing the rest of the picture. There may be legit reasons to vote no, but that isn't one of them.

AA has 12 year pay rate of $336.89 for nb CA, UA is $338.48, or $1.59 more if I am reading it right (they call it DOS, but that must be years of service not date of signing). Who cares...
It's not $2. It's more like 2%. Over every cell on every Table. after you do the require math, that will put the NB rate you just quoted at about 356.52. $20 bucks an hour enough to make you reconsider? The 2026 value will be about $404.86. Top end caption will be 483.68.

TankerDriver 07-15-2023 01:15 PM
Originally Posted by FangsF15 (Post 3666432)
It's not $2. It's more like 2%. Over every cell on every Table. after you do the require math, that will put the NB rate you just quoted at about 356.52. $20 bucks an hour enough to make you reconsider? The 2026 value will be about $404.86. Top end caption will be 483.68.
That's another $24k per year averaging 100 hrs per month credit. Enough to put your kid through a semester of a school.


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