Originally Posted by TankerDriver (Post 3666646)

From APA: "In response to today’s announcement that United Airlines has reached an agreement in principle with its pilots for a new collective bargaining agreement, your APA Board of Directors, National Officers, and key committees are carefully reviewing the United AIP and assessing its implications for our own Tentative Agreement.

American Airlines CEO Robert Isom has pledged to match our industry peers in the current bargaining environment. In the coming days, your union leadership will endeavor to determine whether Mr. Isom plans to follows through on that pledge in light of this latest development.

As APA performs its due diligence and formulates next steps, we encourage you to likewise review the details of the United pilots’ AIP.

Thank you for your continued engagement and support. We will update you as appropriate."

Originally Posted by OpieTaylor (Post 3666664)

Not embarrassing, it’s pattern bargaining, it’s part of the process. What’s embarrassing is the amount of good ole boys who will lie back and think of England just to get through this.

Originally Posted by Montcalm (Post 3666681)

What pattern bargaining?! Our union was (probably still is) ready to settle for Delta minus. So is a majority of this pilot group.

It is absolutely embarrassing, and sets a bad precedent.

Originally Posted by OpieTaylor (Post 3666691)

Well in May of 2022 United announced a TA that failed and was worth less then the one they now have. Since that time AA Union rejected a better TA than the one United rejected and Delta secured an even better yet TA, AA announced a better TA than the one they rejected and now United has a better TA than the one they rejected last year.

I called those events pattern barging.

Originally Posted by Montcalm (Post 3666699)

Of course, how convenient that we completely overlooked leveraging anything Delta negotiated, except for pay rates.

I'm absolutely thrilled about the prospect of AAPA swooping in to salvage this situation and generously sprinkling a few more dollars to keep the "yes" voters obediently in line. It's truly a masterclass in sarcasm.

Originally Posted by ACEssXfer (Post 3666716)

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Vote no. For real this time.

Originally Posted by OpieTaylor (Post 3666709)

So your mad Delta went high enough to secure a TA without a failed vote and break a loop of 1Up for others to party up too because it isn’t enough compensation and benefits or just harms your personal pride?

Your preferred option is Delta mgmt and goes low enough to secure a failed TA after watching two others fail, and we get to where we’re are now with more pride in ourselves by 1Uping each other to the exact same same spot vs an exit and party up.

Do you enjoy vacations less if your wife gave you driving instructions vs navigating yourself while driving? Or do you enjoy them based on the reality of where you are? Is it important to tell her you don’t need instructions?

Is your pride that high? How we got here is more important than getting here?

Originally Posted by CRJCapitan (Post 3666721)

I don't think there can be a vote. APA and management need to come together and add something that will keep this alive. I have a reasonable amount of faith APA will pursue this and will put pressure on management to do so given we've already received multiple emails within hours of the UA AIP.

Originally Posted by Montcalm (Post 3666722)

First, it’s honestly difficult to read you.

Second, you make no sense. I quite literally wrote the opposite of what you’re inferring.