My point is, it’s a weighed average. Does Delta have a no questions asked 1 flight commuter policy? The year two AA FO NB rate is higher than Delta, and AA will cash out sick time, for 200k at retirement. AA will pay 4K for a TDY assignment.

I don’t think you’ll find a post of me advocating to be dead weight, and don’t think anyone has ever advocated for that.

Southwest doesn’t even get paid by the hour, my point was, I don’t plan on obtaining a PHD in every company and the nuances of how they operate with regards to their contract and claiming my weighted average of importance is more important than yours and I calculated it at a higher cost the company according to me. Then rubber stamping a “1up”.

I admitted AA missed, I don’t have control over how are why and never justified a miss is palatable because we don’t need to “1up”.

I guess your arguinging if they didn’t miss it still wasn’t a 1up?

At the end of the day it sounds like Delta makes all their money with a “GS” which I am not familiar with, but sounds like buying you off a trip and and paying you premium for the new trip. I am not sure if they do that in straight seniority or if a pilot has those days as off days then they can skip the seniority of a conflict.

AA contract allows the company to conflict you and pay you for both, but it comes after just giving it to a pilot who has those days off, and there is always someone with the days off.

Also it seems as though Delta shares “GS” where you get a second turn after everyone has had a chance at 1 turn, and AA is seniority order where you don’t get any turns unless pilots senior to you abstain. Which one is “1up” is largely dependent on seniority.

 

The guys that have that either built it much faster prior to becoming AA (pre merger), likely built it up by not having to call out because they had <80 hour lines and actually had time to recover before their next trip, could simply drop or trade their trip, or are Blue Falcons who fly sick because they don't want to use their precious sick time and don't care if they get others sick.

The current 60 hours a year for a newb with ~90 hour lines and the complete inability to drop or even trade... they'll never build up a high sick bank, especially if they call out sick when sick.

 

My prediction is the company will not supplement this TA. We either vote yes or vote no for subsequent mediation. We should 100% vote NO if that’s the case.

 

There will be a supplement. Now if it’s enough to vote yes for will be the question.

 

From Union email

“Today, I spoke with American Airlines CEO Robert Isom and met with Executive Vice President and Chief Strategy Officer Steve Johnson to determine whether management shares our commitment to doing what’s required to produce a TA that truly matches our industry competitors — a TA worthy of consideration by our members. I was accompanied by members of the Negotiating and Economic & Financial Analysis committees and two of our attorneys. Mr. Isom and Mr. Johnson both acknowledged that significant improvements must be made, with Mr. Isom reiterating his assertion that management “will take care of our pilots.” Our respective bargaining teams have committed to working around the clock beginning tonight for the next few days to address crucial improvements to the TA.”

 

Agree 100%

At least it will be equity to trade away one day.

 

The sick buyback at retirement is the way airline managements entice pilots to fly even when sick and they shouldn’t be flying. The fact that APA bought off on and agreed to this is a clear indication they are playing for management, not the pilots.

 

This guy gets it.

 

thats cute.

Nutella sounds like all those other start ups that go belly up after a few years.

 

Sure. The question is are they simply going to throw a few more dollars per hour at the pilot group and say vote on it or are they going to go get the substantive improvements in QOL that they didn't get the first time...which this time includes one more day a month off, every month, for every reserve pilot. That's just shy of an extra two weeks of vacation time a year that United has, that American doesn't. If Isom thinks that's not going to be affecting the decision making of new hires, he's mistaken.

But perhaps American's management team is content scraping the bottom of that barrel as long as they will work more for less.