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TankerDriver 07-25-2023 06:04 PM

What will happen if there is a one day trip open with no-one in the one day bucket? It will go to a 2-day bucket pilot. What happens when there is a 3-day trip open with no-one in the 3-day bucket? It'll go to a 4-day bucket pilot. There may be a few 3 and 4 day trips open during DOCT, but after that, trips that pop open outside DOTC are usually trips that have fallen apart in the 1 or 2 day flavor.

EskimoJet 07-25-2023 07:30 PM


Originally Posted by TankerDriver (Post 3672682)
What will happen if there is a one day trip open with no-one in the one day bucket? It will go to a 2-day bucket pilot. What happens when there is a 3-day trip open with no-one in the 3-day bucket? It'll go to a 4-day bucket pilot. There may be a few 3 and 4 day trips open during DOCT, but after that, trips that pop open outside DOTC are usually trips that have fallen apart in the 1 or 2 day flavor.

thats how it works at every airline i've ever been at. it's not rocket science.

ACEssXfer 07-26-2023 06:58 AM


Originally Posted by EskimoJet (Post 3672743)
thats how it works at every airline i've ever been at. it's not rocket science.

Ok but that's not how it works at AA right now. It's much better. Especially if you can hold max 3 day blocks.

You can pad GTD with cushy stuff and avoid a lot of the nonsense associated with reserve if you know what you are doing even a little bit. There will always be crap you don't want to do on reserve that's part of the game unfortunately. Our system right now allows you to avoid the worst case more often than not. The bucket system that AA is going to use will function exactly the way it does at the WO. It sucks at all 3 and will suck at AA. They use the same people and the same strategies at mainline now that they have been at the WO since the merger. They promote from within.

This will be a massive QoL hit to reserves. O btw, AA carries the highest % reserve in the industry.

TankerDriver 07-26-2023 07:56 AM


Originally Posted by ACEssXfer (Post 3672967)
Ok but that's not how it works at AA right now. It's much better. Especially if you can hold max 3 day blocks.

You can pad GTD with cushy stuff and avoid a lot of the nonsense associated with reserve if you know what you are doing even a little bit. There will always be crap you don't want to do on reserve that's part of the game unfortunately. Our system right now allows you to avoid the worst case more often than not. The bucket system that AA is going to use will function exactly the way it does at the WO. It sucks at all 3 and will suck at AA. They use the same people and the same strategies at mainline now that they have been at the WO since the merger. They promote from within.

This will be a massive QoL hit to reserves. O btw, AA carries the highest % reserve in the industry.

Yep and we still can't fill our OT without giving out a bunch of PM.

Bampilot 07-26-2023 07:59 AM


Originally Posted by TankerDriver (Post 3673023)
Yep and we still can't fill our OT without giving out a bunch of PM.


or trip trade.

TankerDriver 07-26-2023 08:09 AM


Originally Posted by Bampilot (Post 3673027)
or trip trade.

Yep. Maybe one day they'll come to their senses... or not.

AllYourBaseAreB 07-26-2023 10:02 AM

Hell, they rather give out pm than straight time OG…

TankerDriver 07-26-2023 10:22 AM


Originally Posted by AllYourBaseAreB (Post 3673116)
Hell, they rather give out pm than straight time OG…

No-one should be volunteering for straight OG. If they want us to work on off time, make them pay for it!

GhettoJet 07-26-2023 11:15 AM


Originally Posted by PRS Guitars (Post 3672623)
Why? Sr people will be able to pass much more under this system since there is no consideration of GTD (time flown for non AA folks) so they will always be at the bottom of their respective bucket. As opposed to now, when they will be first to go if they have flown less than Jr pilots. I think Sr will like this, everyone else…a push or loss.

The GTD is only calculated within a parameter, outside of that seniority comes into play. For the most part it is straight seniority. The reason buckets will suck is that you will no longer be able to shield reserve days by preferencing in to shorter trips. Senior reserves do this all the time and can recover 2-4 more days off a month using this strategy. Between buckets and lagging United by an extra day off a month the reserve good deal will be gone.
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AllYourBaseAreB 07-26-2023 11:45 AM


Originally Posted by TankerDriver (Post 3673130)
No-one should be volunteering for straight OG. If they want us to work on off time, make them pay for it!

well if you could work a PM show on your last day off that goes into your first 3 days of RSV, and pays 21 Hours of OG, I’d gladly do that


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