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Old 07-26-2023 | 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by AllYourBaseAreB
well if you could work a PM show on your last day off that goes into your first 3 days of RSV, and pays 21 Hours of OG, I’d gladly do that
Well then that would be PR not straight time OG.
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Old 07-26-2023 | 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by AllYourBaseAreB
well if you could work a PM show on your last day off that goes into your first 3 days of RSV, and pays 21 Hours of OG, I’d gladly do that
This is true.
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Old 07-26-2023 | 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by GhettoJet
The GTD is only calculated within a parameter, outside of that seniority comes into play. For the most part it is straight seniority. The reason buckets will suck is that you will no longer be able to shield reserve days by preferencing in to shorter trips. Senior reserves do this all the time and can recover 2-4 more days off a month using this strategy. Between buckets and lagging United by an extra day off a month the reserve good deal will be gone.
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Yes, you will not be able to proffer shorter trips (which is one of the techniques I use to fly less, and have more DHD only days). That is a negative. Yes seniority is calculated within variance groups right now, those groups are designed to spread the flying evenly among all pilots, as soon as you get around 10 hours you get put at the back of the queue (within seniority order in that group). That part will be gone, so the most Jr pilots will fly first in their bucket always, the most senior reserve pilot will literally (that word is overused…but is applicable here) always be the last in their bucket to be used, even at the end of the month with zero hours flown. The most Jr will likely go to 80-85 hours every month and the most senior will probably fly less than half that every month.

It is not currently “for the most part straight seniority” as you claimed, but it will be under the new system. the APA even said they wanted seniority to factor in more than it does now.

Now, someone mentioned outside vs inside DOTC, not sure what the distinction will be on that, I need to re read the proposed TA.
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Old 07-26-2023 | 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by PRS Guitars
Yes, you will not be able to proffer shorter trips (which is one of the techniques I use to fly less, and have more DHD only days). That is a negative. Yes seniority is calculated within variance groups right now, those groups are designed to spread the flying evenly among all pilots, as soon as you get around 10 hours you get put at the back of the queue (within seniority order in that group). That part will be gone, so the most Jr pilots will fly first in their bucket always, the most senior reserve pilot will literally (that word is overused…but is applicable here) always be the last in their bucket to be used, even at the end of the month with zero hours flown. The most Jr will likely go to 80-85 hours every month and the most senior will probably fly less than half that every month.

It is not currently “for the most part straight seniority” as you claimed, but it will be under the new system. the APA even said they wanted seniority to factor in more than it does now.

Now, someone mentioned outside vs inside DOTC, not sure what the distinction will be on that, I need to re read the proposed TA.
It all depends. It depends on how they arrange their buckets. If all hell breaks loose, like it normally does, and they go through the entire list of reserves, it won't matter where you are in your bucket. They will use you. From what I've seen, if you, by chance of bad luck, work a lot in the beginning of the month, it screws your chances of proffering for 1-day trips for the rest of the month because you will always have people in lower groups than you who can proffer for those trips even though they're junior than you. I find that most of the real junior pilots either don't know how to proffer or don't know they can so most of them have an empty ballot, but there's always one or two that are proffer savvy. 3-day reserve blocks are the only thing that makes our current reserve system worth doing. I had almost 35 hours GTD within the first 10 days of the month in July. I was in the highest reserve groups for the rest of the month and I was basically screwed trying to proffer for anything else. When this happens, you're along for the ride even at 6% seniority on reserve.
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Old 07-26-2023 | 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ACEssXfer
Well then that would be PR not straight time OG.
Meant an afternoon report straight time OG
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Old 07-26-2023 | 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by PRS Guitars
Yes, you will not be able to proffer shorter trips (which is one of the techniques I use to fly less, and have more DHD only days). That is a negative. Yes seniority is calculated within variance groups right now, those groups are designed to spread the flying evenly among all pilots, as soon as you get around 10 hours you get put at the back of the queue (within seniority order in that group). That part will be gone, so the most Jr pilots will fly first in their bucket always, the most senior reserve pilot will literally (that word is overused…but is applicable here) always be the last in their bucket to be used, even at the end of the month with zero hours flown. The most Jr will likely go to 80-85 hours every month and the most senior will probably fly less than half that every month.

It is not currently “for the most part straight seniority” as you claimed, but it will be under the new system. the APA even said they wanted seniority to factor in more than it does now.

Now, someone mentioned outside vs inside DOTC, not sure what the distinction will be on that, I need to re read the proposed TA.
It’s very clear in the TA language how inside/outside DOTC will work. Read up on it before making broad statements. Outside DOTC, or in other words, short call, will be based on reserve days worked.
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Old 08-02-2023 | 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by TankerDriver
It all depends. It depends on how they arrange their buckets. If all hell breaks loose, like it normally does, and they go through the entire list of reserves, it won't matter where you are in your bucket. They will use you. From what I've seen, if you, by chance of bad luck, work a lot in the beginning of the month, it screws your chances of proffering for 1-day trips for the rest of the month because you will always have people in lower groups than you who can proffer for those trips even though they're junior than you. I find that most of the real junior pilots either don't know how to proffer or don't know they can so most of them have an empty ballot, but there's always one or two that are proffer savvy. 3-day reserve blocks are the only thing that makes our current reserve system worth doing. I had almost 35 hours GTD within the first 10 days of the month in July. I was in the highest reserve groups for the rest of the month and I was basically screwed trying to proffer for anything else. When this happens, you're along for the ride even at 6% seniority on reserve.
Precisely.
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