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R57 relay 07-23-2023 09:20 AM


Originally Posted by ImSoSuss (Post 3671191)
Couldn't care less if the TA will be voted on or not. I was right about the TA being a turd all along. That is now a proven fact and scared pilots like you still want it to pass as is. Shame

Keep digging sport.

ImSoSuss 07-23-2023 09:21 AM


Originally Posted by R57 relay (Post 3671200)
Keep digging sport.

digging what? Out of the hole pilots like you have put us in over the past couple decades?

R57 relay 07-23-2023 09:23 AM


Originally Posted by ImSoSuss (Post 3671191)
Couldn't care less if the TA will be voted on or not. I was right about the TA being a turd all along. That is now a proven fact and scared pilots like you still want it to pass as is. Shame

Keep digging sport.

R57 relay 07-23-2023 09:26 AM


Originally Posted by ImSoSuss (Post 3671203)
digging what? Out of the hole pilots like you have put us in over the past couple decades?

Where did you fly prior to AA?

ImSoSuss 07-23-2023 09:40 AM


Originally Posted by R57 relay (Post 3671206)
Where did you fly prior to AA?

....ur moms

pilot28042 07-23-2023 09:53 AM

It’s crazy people want this thing to go through and be industry lagging
lots of industry standard things we need

Montcalm 07-23-2023 09:54 AM


Originally Posted by R57 relay (Post 3671206)
Where did you fly prior to AA?

Where did you fly prior to AA?

CRJJ 07-23-2023 09:55 AM


Originally Posted by Montcalm (Post 3671223)
Where did you fly prior to AA?

Where did you fly prior to AA?

Montcalm 07-23-2023 10:06 AM


Originally Posted by CRJJ (Post 3671227)
Where did you fly prior to AA?

At the Fearless Pioneers Academy: Defying mediocrity with panache.

R57 relay 07-23-2023 10:25 AM


Originally Posted by ImSoSuss (Post 3671214)
....ur moms

It's always pleasing to have someone act just as you expect.

R57 relay 07-23-2023 10:27 AM


Originally Posted by Montcalm (Post 3671223)
Where did you fly prior to AA?

US Airways
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ImSoSuss 07-23-2023 10:31 AM


Originally Posted by R57 relay (Post 3671247)
It's always pleasing to have someone act just as you expect.

You get stupid answers to your stupid questions. What airline I or anybody worked at before is irrelevant to the topic in hand. Sure, all airlines have had their struggles but why has AA's contract been industry lagging for so long?

MCDUmanipulator 07-23-2023 10:33 AM


Originally Posted by ImSoSuss (Post 3671253)
You get stupid answers to your stupid questions. What airline I or anybody worked at before is irrelevant to the topic in hand. Sure, all airlines have had their struggles but why has AA's contract been industry lagging for so long?

because they have always been the most toxic anti worker management.

ImSoSuss 07-23-2023 10:37 AM


Originally Posted by MCDUmanipulator (Post 3671257)
because they have always been the most toxic anti worker management.

The very weak and aloof union had a major roll in that too. All airlines have management that are anti-worker.

R57 relay 07-23-2023 11:06 AM


Originally Posted by ImSoSuss (Post 3671253)
You get stupid answers to your stupid questions. What airline I or anybody worked at before is irrelevant to the topic in hand. Sure, all airlines have had their struggles but why has AA's contract been industry lagging for so long?

Not stupid at all. You said:

"digging what? Out of the hole pilots like you have put us in over the past couple decades?"

I suspect I can point out some damage you and your generation have done.

But don't answer, I suspect you know it too.

Red Forman 07-23-2023 11:22 AM


Originally Posted by R57 relay (Post 3671206)
Where did you fly prior to AA?

He was the captain of the short bus.

ImSoSuss 07-23-2023 11:34 AM


Originally Posted by Red Forman (Post 3671287)
He was the captain of the short bus.

How embarrassed you must be right now. You've been wrong every time. Isom wishes there are 14,997 pilots at this company just like you, Relay, and El Panso.

beancounter 07-23-2023 12:39 PM


Originally Posted by ImSoSuss (Post 3671253)
You get stupid answers to your stupid questions. What airline I or anybody worked at before is irrelevant to the topic in hand. Sure, all airlines have had their struggles but why has AA's contract been industry lagging for so long?

If you’re US Air or America West, that would be the pot calling the kettle black…… just sayin.’ US Air though was at least the highest paid for a while.

JulesWinfield 07-23-2023 02:20 PM

https://i.imgur.com/2y8WN8X.jpg


Filler

GhettoJet 07-23-2023 02:22 PM


Originally Posted by LBFO79 (Post 3670344)
No increase to sick time or vacation credit. What does this mean? No more time off. We actually will be working more under this TA than our current jcba. PBS Line values will go up in the summer months and in December too. Our reserves will not be getting an extra day off either.

Summary: none of what Isom offered dealt with QOL. It was all pay items, as expected. Still AA pilots will work more and enjoy worse trip rigs than United and delta. Also we still allowed concessions to our ACD and sit rigs.

Yep. Easy no vote.

Montcalm 07-23-2023 02:47 PM


Originally Posted by JulesWinfield (Post 3671383)



Fixed it.

https://i.imgflip.com/7tijmr.jpg

ImSoSuss 07-23-2023 03:58 PM

That was a great repair to that meme.

Red Forman 07-23-2023 04:03 PM


Originally Posted by ImSoSuss (Post 3671297)
How embarrassed you must be right now. You've been wrong every time. Isom wishes there are 14,997 pilots at this company just like you, Relay, and El Panso.

Again, show your work and prove I am in favor. If you can’t then shut the fark up.

Montcalm 07-23-2023 04:34 PM


Originally Posted by Red Forman (Post 3671408)
Again, show your work and prove I am in favor. If you can’t then shut the fark up.

Plot twist! He’s a closet NO.

MasterOfPuppets 07-23-2023 04:40 PM


Originally Posted by El Peso (Post 3670756)
Yeah the amazing efforts when UAL put forth the Tumi TA, only to be saved by AA management of all people. Get real dummy. And whens the JS war starting? I’m waiting on your que.

I can’t let this BS slide…..TUMI was DRT the day it showed up in our emails. AA didn’t do anything but barely beat it by 2%.

it appears all your union can do is say me too!!

beancounter 07-23-2023 08:15 PM


Originally Posted by JulesWinfield (Post 3671383)

Just sit back and don't worry. The real men of genius have put on their big boy pants and are in charge.............. we're soooooo fooked.

Jdub2 07-25-2023 11:25 AM

I remember when I was furloughed an AA FO sat me down and lectured me about my airline’s negotiations leading up to the furlough, and how it was our fault because we didn’t offer up enough concessions. He told me that every get, needs a give and the scales have to balance. It was our fault for asking too much.

I remembered that when my new air line passed a contract that had 0 gives. The Toddlers and TUMI 1 reminded me of that too.

Watching the select few of you defending this TA… well it was semi reasonable at first, and almost admirable. It isn’t your job to advance the profession after all. It would be nice, but I don’t blame you for doing what’s right for your families and your airline.

Please stop, you are embarrassing yourselves now. Your own BOD has conceded that this is a subpar TA. I’m very happy you get one more week of vacation sooner than us, but the whole agreement is not good. There shouldn’t be any gives. At all.

There are so many great guys and gals at AA but this persistent, rampant defeatism and anti union mentality of “balanced scales”, “we have to give to get”, and “just take the money” is what has led to this situation and needs to be firmly stomped out. There is far more than just pay and it is incumbent upon you to break the cycle and finally raise your QOL and contract for your fellow AA pilots and those that come after you.

Find a back bone, leave the place better, and stop accepting any concessions. To the 50% of you that get it I’m sorry to come preach it to you

LAXtoDEN 07-25-2023 01:51 PM


Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets (Post 3671422)
I can’t let this BS slide…..TUMI was DRT the day it showed up in our emails. AA didn’t do anything but barely beat it by 2%.

it appears all your union can do is say me too!!

That’s 100% false. I was on the forums when you guys dropped that massive POS TA. It wasn’t until AA the next day dropped a better TA before everyone got upset. At the time there was nothing to compare the TA off because United was first.

Also even if the TUMI TA would have been voted down without AA dropping a TA. Absolutely no way it would have been voted down by over 90%. That was pure momentum from the AA TA and made it easy to vote no and clean house. That exaggerated overwhelming “No” vote gap created huge leverage for a much better TA that you have now.

It also created time for DALPA to drop their TA with huge gains without Delta management having the leverage of the garbage TUMI TA possibly passing, which was no doubt not going to pass after AA dropped their TA.

Swakid8 07-25-2023 07:44 PM


Originally Posted by LAXtoDEN (Post 3672545)
That’s 100% false. I was on the forums when you guys dropped that massive POS TA. It wasn’t until AA the next day dropped a better TA before everyone got upset. At the time there was nothing to compare the TA off because United was first.

Also even if the TUMI TA would have been voted down without AA dropping a TA. Absolutely no way it would have been voted down by over 90%. That was pure momentum from the AA TA and made it easy to vote no and clean house. That exaggerated overwhelming “No” vote gap created huge leverage for a much better TA that you have now.

It also created time for DALPA to drop their TA with huge gains without Delta management having the leverage of the garbage TUMI TA possibly passing, which was no doubt not going to pass after AA dropped their TA.

Tumi TA was DOA, It wouldn’t have passed with or without the AA TA. AA TA helped push that percentage up, but not as much as you think it might have moved the needle. You will not always get the full picture on the forums….

jdt30 07-26-2023 06:38 AM


Originally Posted by LAXtoDEN (Post 3672545)
That’s 100% false. I was on the forums when you guys dropped that massive POS TA. It wasn’t until AA the next day dropped a better TA before everyone got upset. At the time there was nothing to compare the TA off because United was first.

Also even if the TUMI TA would have been voted down without AA dropping a TA. Absolutely no way it would have been voted down by over 90%. That was pure momentum from the AA TA and made it easy to vote no and clean house. That exaggerated overwhelming “No” vote gap created huge leverage for a much better TA that you have now.

It also created time for DALPA to drop their TA with huge gains without Delta management having the leverage of the garbage TUMI TA possibly passing, which was no doubt not going to pass after AA dropped their TA.

I guess you were on United’s forums, and flying with United pilots to see our reaction. We were furious when we heard the rumors, and livid when we actually saw the Tumi Turd. It may not have failed at 94%, but that thing was dead.


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