AA ups TA from $8.3B to $10.0B Deal !
 

Word is out AA Management just Improved the previously
offered $8.3 Billion TA (Tentative Agreement) closer to a $10 Billion dollar deal
for its pilots.

Improvements to include Industry Leading Retro-Pay, Snap-up Provisions, Accelerated Future Wage Increases to name a few… :D

This is Great News for AA pilots !

More details to follow…

No increase to sick time or vacation credit. What does this mean? No more time off. We actually will be working more under this TA than our current jcba. PBS Line values will go up in the summer months and in December too. Our reserves will not be getting an extra day off either.

Summary: none of what Isom offered dealt with QOL. It was all pay items, as expected. Still AA pilots will work more and enjoy worse trip rigs than United and delta. Also we still allowed concessions to our ACD and sit rigs.

Unfortunately, even if you place a plate full of Gold in front of some people, they still find a way to complain about it…

Is it perfect ? No (I never said so)…

Is it a great improvement to the previously offered TA ? Yes… Now a $10 Billion dollar Deal !

For your own sake brother, have some positivity in your life.

Don’t sweat the small stuff fighting over what color Floor-Mats you’re getting, look at the overall Big-Picture.

Wish you the best…

Cheers

”Focus on the big picture” = Accept the money and don’t care about anything else.

It’s 9 billion. So we are worth a billion dollars less than UALs pilots apparently. Valuation is garbage anyway. A feel good meaningless placebo.

Wish you the best!

pathetic. thanks for continuing to ride coat tails instead of actually doing something.

Please. With regards to Delta we get more holiday pay days. Way more vacation days. 3% amendable date raise and other thing you don’t even know about like IMAX. Get lost. You guys set the bar on pay, retro, and PS which are huge but don’t get carried away.

You like how your A330 and 764 pay A350 rate now? You’re welcome

Pretty sure we weren’t riding coattails when the Tumi TA came out…

Improvements to the TA to include the Following:

• Snap-up Pay in line with UA/DL

• Accelerated Future wage increases to take effect every January 1

• Ratification (Retro) bonus of 21% from January 2023

• Accelerated 401(k) increase (17%) start January 2024

• Increase in international override to $7/$5

• Increase in per diem to domestic $2.85/international $3.40

• Extended sick leave bank pre-loaded to 120 hours and accruing 4 hours per month in addition to previous accrual (120 hours)

• Medical freedom protections

• Max un-augmented duty day lesser of 13 hours or FAR 117 table B minus 30’

• Reserve “show, no go” pay increase to 5 hours

• 2-hour OG incentive for reserves volunteering to show and subsequently assigned prior to 1000 on day 1

• Hotel guarantees for reassignments outside original sequence footprint with no opportunity to commute to home of record that calendar day

• Maximum duty periods in sequence not to exceed number of calendar days

• Increase in life insurance coverage to $750,000 regardless of age

So they copy and pasted from the UA TA….

No. We left out crap like global reserve and kept stuff that we have that neither DAL or UAL have.

at least we didn’t copy and paste the tumi ta

Pretty hilarious to see the usual APA shills out en force acting like this is some massive windfall. You guys didn’t even negotiate this just like you barely negotiated your actual TA. You copy/pasted half of the Delta contract and just did the same for the UAL contract. All while very carefully managing not to do a single thing to risk Delta or United snapping up on their pay.

Your management just saw what 2 ALPA carriers got and they know they have to meet it to remain competitive. And once again APA look like clowns. Great job guys, keep up the good work :rolleyes:

Well, well, well, looks like you guys are embracing desperation with open arms – not just openly siding with management, but also now cooking up facts.

Robert Isom, in his direct negotiations with the pilots, gave the package an evaluation of 9 billion. Not 10.


Yes, I am very positively going to cancel your vote.

Sick burn…

Mocking United while clutching a TA that's the pinnacle of inferiority is becoming an art form in the realm of ridicule.

No.

They matched pay, retro, and copied the LTD bridge provision. We are still severely lagging United and Delta in nearly all sections, as we all foresaw.

After reading the musings of the resident cowards here and on The Line, it appears that we've earned and deserve our rightful place at the bottom of the industry.

This pilot group is pathetic.

You sure are pathetic with that attitude and calling a 15,000 pilot group pathetic, I guess you know every pilot.

Looking at your posts you’ve been saying for a long time this place sucks and that is so toxic blah. Lag. Do you know what makes a place toxic? Toxic people like you.

NC chair has been recalled. BOD isn’t stepping down and has a big list to counter. It’s not over yet.

My dear critic. Yes, calling a pilot group pathetic naturally implies that I have a deep, telepathic knowledge of every pilot in existence, and includes all 15.000 of them. Pure genius deduction.


It's truly heartwarming to know that someone is keeping a close eye on my every word. However, your analysis seems to be lacking: criticism doesn't make a place toxic; it's the inherent toxicity that attracts the criticism in the first place. The simple laws of cause and effect. You are blaming the iceberg for sinking the Titanic.

Furthermore, I never said this place sucked. I'm defending this place against those who betray our interests and sabotage the entire industry.

Keep spreading that sunshine, with perhaps a little less selective outrage.

You know who has a 3% amenable date raise and a snap up? UNITED

FWIW, there’s some smoke on both AA mgmt and APA sides that it was Ed Bastian who reached out to Isom and proposed the pay rate match so as not to trigger the delta snap up, as a way of punking DALPA… petty.

And of course, APA rolled over. Not discounting your clown show assertion, because that’s very true.

so he reached out to isom and not Kirby? That story is unlikely but a convenient excuse

I'd be embarrassed to be El Panso right now. Look at the new email from the BOD. Thank God they ignore these company hacks and bright eyed newbs.

ohh I guess one is being a negative Nancy because you just want industry standard. Are you serious bro? GTFO

As an AA pilot, this is spot on.

Imagine how bad one must feel about themselves that they post on a message board on Friday night within minutes of news about their rival, crapping all over them and the employees. All done to feel superior about themselves and their life choices.

You know those rj pilots that would **** all over their competitors over a $1/hr difference in pay or xyz contract language or how such and such company was "bringing the industry down"? Yeah, they grew up aged and this is what they do now.

No idea. Would you be surprised at a different reaction from Isom/APA as compared to Kirby/UALPA post Tumi debacle?

Oh please. Save the woe is me act. I’ve been on here many, many times telling anyone who will listen that APA is a garbage union (from my own personal dealings with them). And yet all many of you do is crap on me in return. I get that I’m brash and I get that I come off like an a-hole. But I’m not. I’d love to see you guys ditch APA.

Your APA president is a liar and your BOD is broken. To any prospective new hires looking at this from the outside, take note. Who represents you has a direct effect on what your worth in this business. Why anyone would want to be represented by APA at this point is beyond me.

APA is a mess, no doubt… but don’t gloss over how much AA management despises its labor.

agreed. the level of mooching and lack of pattern bargaining is damaging to the profession and sets up AA pilots as the industry's weaklings.

Nope. Not buying that excuse/cop-out. You can replace "AA management" above with [any airline management] and the same holds true. If APA/AA pilots spent as much energy fighting to raise the bar as they do making excuses for why they can't, we'd actually be getting somewhere as an industry.

Instead, as a group, you're just an anchor weighing the rest of us down. you've had what, 2-3 bites of the apple to RAISE the bar, and failed every time. I'd be ashamed to ask for a jumpseat on DL or UAL.

ALPA ain't that much better. The bigger it gets, the more bloated it becomes.

Belly up to the bar everybody, you're paying for it.

But did you get a pay rate that would hit the snap up clauses for UA and DAL?

So how's that trip trading going?? Oh wait, your schedules have been locked down for 18 months.

Nerp… and didn’t even include it in the counter proposal it appears…

Has gotten harder with the new system for sure. Still possible but often requires a multi trade process.

How’s FSB going? Fun times commuting in to base to sit at the airport for 4-5 hours eh?

I’m not AA, but had an AA capt non rev. He said the counter proposal thing (the one that adds like 13 extra bullet points that’s floating around) is dead now.

I guess Isom overstepped and got his hand smacked. So it’s back to the table.

true?

I know you don’t care for DALPA and you certainly have your reasons. And I don’t think ALPA is some magical savior for the AA pilot group. But the problems we have with ALPA at both Delta and United quite frankly pale in comparison to the absolute asshattery that occurs within APA. Change starts with the pilots overwhelmingly rejecting the clowns at APA and sending them packing in the clown car they showed up in.

Look at United… They’re a prime example of a labor organization in upheaval when their former Chairman Insler was ousted and they started cleaning house. And despite the chaos over there they STILL managed to blow the doors off with an awesome contract. How can anyone at AA look within your own labor organization and see anything redeeming? Kick APA to the curb and start the process of becoming industry-leading again.

lol you take yourself too serious.

Oh damn someone’s advocating for a JS war? I’m here for it. When do we start tough guy?

No one is starting a jump seat war over non sense. Take a break from the Internet my god..