No beards for J/S due to oxygen degradation
09-14-2023, 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer
Next question...
Aren't FA's also required to use supplemental O2 in case of an emergency?
Aren't FA's also required to use supplemental O2 in case of an emergency?
09-14-2023, 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by renatodep
"FOM CHANGE – BEARDS: Effective Sept. 13, the American Airlines FOM will change to no longer allow any FDJ occupant with a beard or goatee on mainline flights. This change was unilaterally imposed by management. APA was never involved in or formally notified about this impending change. Please direct any questions to your flight office."
Are the 70s porno mustaches still allowed?
09-15-2023, 08:34 PM
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Theres a group at AA pushing to change appearance policy to allow short and neatly trimmed beards. This is old school managment's attempt to push this idea further away, not realizing that FA's have beards and they have to utilize the JS oxygen in the flight deck during pilot out of flight deck protocols.
09-16-2023, 04:33 AM
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Originally Posted by BlueOceanSky
Theres a group at AA pushing to change appearance policy to allow short and neatly trimmed beards. This is old school managment's attempt to push this idea further away, not realizing that FA's have beards and they have to utilize the JS oxygen in the flight deck during pilot out of flight deck protocols.
Maybe they're fully prepared to allow beards, but intend to put on some theater and stall in hopes of extracting negotiating concessions.
Although they could enhance their recruiting by giving away beards for free, they'd get a few die-hard beard aficionados from 91/135 and maybe Air Canada. The Canucks get paid half of what we do, but they don't have to shave!
09-16-2023, 05:08 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Management has the prerogative to dictate professional uniform standards, unless otherwise negotiated in the CBA. Don't know why they need to rationalize their decision.
Maybe they're fully prepared to allow beards, but intend to put on some theater and stall in hopes of extracting negotiating concessions.
Although they could enhance their recruiting by giving away beards for free, they'd get a few die-hard beard aficionados from 91/135 and maybe Air Canada. The Canucks get paid half of what we do, but they don't have to shave!
Maybe they're fully prepared to allow beards, but intend to put on some theater and stall in hopes of extracting negotiating concessions.
Although they could enhance their recruiting by giving away beards for free, they'd get a few die-hard beard aficionados from 91/135 and maybe Air Canada. The Canucks get paid half of what we do, but they don't have to shave!
There’s a group of AA pilots pressuring the company to allow facial hair for pilots. They’ve submitted some complaints to the HR folks, and it seems HR agrees it’s a silly and outdated policy. HR keeps punting the decision to the VP of Flight as a “safety issue”. That VP is basically kicking the can on a decision until after he retires and it’ll be the next VP’s call. He told the AA beards group that a Fed/secret service/etc with a beard will have to shave before getting flightdeck access. SMH.
09-16-2023, 05:21 AM
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Originally Posted by thrust
APA isn’t negotiating for beards.
There’s a group of AA pilots pressuring the company to allow facial hair for pilots. They’ve submitted some complaints to the HR folks, and it seems HR agrees it’s a silly and outdated policy. HR keeps punting the decision to the VP of Flight as a “safety issue”. That VP is basically kicking the can on a decision until after he retires and it’ll be the next VP’s call. He told the AA beards group that a Fed/secret service/etc with a beard will have to shave before getting flightdeck access. SMH.
There’s a group of AA pilots pressuring the company to allow facial hair for pilots. They’ve submitted some complaints to the HR folks, and it seems HR agrees it’s a silly and outdated policy. HR keeps punting the decision to the VP of Flight as a “safety issue”. That VP is basically kicking the can on a decision until after he retires and it’ll be the next VP’s call. He told the AA beards group that a Fed/secret service/etc with a beard will have to shave before getting flightdeck access. SMH.
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09-16-2023, 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Management has the prerogative to dictate professional uniform standards, unless otherwise negotiated in the CBA. Don't know why they need to rationalize their decision.
Maybe they're fully prepared to allow beards, but intend to put on some theater and stall in hopes of extracting negotiating concessions.
Although they could enhance their recruiting by giving away beards for free, they'd get a few die-hard beard aficionados from 91/135 and maybe Air Canada. The Canucks get paid half of what we do, but they don't have to shave!
Maybe they're fully prepared to allow beards, but intend to put on some theater and stall in hopes of extracting negotiating concessions.
Although they could enhance their recruiting by giving away beards for free, they'd get a few die-hard beard aficionados from 91/135 and maybe Air Canada. The Canucks get paid half of what we do, but they don't have to shave!
09-16-2023, 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Don't know why they need to rationalize their decision.
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