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Old 09-14-2023, 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer View Post
Next question...

Aren't FA's also required to use supplemental O2 in case of an emergency?

They didnít change it due to O2, thatís a separate article. They just donít want us to have it. Funny thing is someone mentioned FAís, someone mentioned looking professional. FAís are allowed to have them. Is this an admission by management that Pilots are more Professional than FAís? Of a higher importance? Theyíve hammered the whole ďteam memberĒ concept for years. Now They are subjecting Pilots to a higher standard.
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Old 09-14-2023, 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by renatodep View Post
"FOM CHANGE Ė BEARDS: Effective Sept. 13, the American Airlines FOM will change to no longer allow any FDJ occupant with a beard or goatee on mainline flights. This change was unilaterally imposed by management. APA was never involved in or formally notified about this impending change. Please direct any questions to your flight office."
It's 2023. Can we not start a #metoowithabeard movement? I feel discriminated and I don't even have facial hair! Thank God, management has nothing else to worry about.

Are the 70s porno mustaches still allowed?
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Old 09-14-2023, 08:25 PM
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Yup. They are.
Even the men, or just the women? I kid, I kid.....
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Old 09-15-2023, 02:05 PM
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Do they not understand... so many people look better with beards...cover up this god-awful face.
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Old 09-15-2023, 08:34 PM
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Theres a group at AA pushing to change appearance policy to allow short and neatly trimmed beards. This is old school managment's attempt to push this idea further away, not realizing that FA's have beards and they have to utilize the JS oxygen in the flight deck during pilot out of flight deck protocols.
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Old 09-16-2023, 04:33 AM
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Originally Posted by BlueOceanSky View Post
Theres a group at AA pushing to change appearance policy to allow short and neatly trimmed beards. This is old school managment's attempt to push this idea further away, not realizing that FA's have beards and they have to utilize the JS oxygen in the flight deck during pilot out of flight deck protocols.
Management has the prerogative to dictate professional uniform standards, unless otherwise negotiated in the CBA. Don't know why they need to rationalize their decision.

Maybe they're fully prepared to allow beards, but intend to put on some theater and stall in hopes of extracting negotiating concessions.

Although they could enhance their recruiting by giving away beards for free, they'd get a few die-hard beard aficionados from 91/135 and maybe Air Canada. The Canucks get paid half of what we do, but they don't have to shave!
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Old 09-16-2023, 05:08 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
Management has the prerogative to dictate professional uniform standards, unless otherwise negotiated in the CBA. Don't know why they need to rationalize their decision.

Maybe they're fully prepared to allow beards, but intend to put on some theater and stall in hopes of extracting negotiating concessions.

Although they could enhance their recruiting by giving away beards for free, they'd get a few die-hard beard aficionados from 91/135 and maybe Air Canada. The Canucks get paid half of what we do, but they don't have to shave!
APA isnít negotiating for beards.

Thereís a group of AA pilots pressuring the company to allow facial hair for pilots. Theyíve submitted some complaints to the HR folks, and it seems HR agrees itís a silly and outdated policy. HR keeps punting the decision to the VP of Flight as a ďsafety issueĒ. That VP is basically kicking the can on a decision until after he retires and itíll be the next VPís call. He told the AA beards group that a Fed/secret service/etc with a beard will have to shave before getting flightdeck access. SMH.
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Old 09-16-2023, 05:21 AM
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APA isnít negotiating for beards.

Thereís a group of AA pilots pressuring the company to allow facial hair for pilots. Theyíve submitted some complaints to the HR folks, and it seems HR agrees itís a silly and outdated policy. HR keeps punting the decision to the VP of Flight as a ďsafety issueĒ. That VP is basically kicking the can on a decision until after he retires and itíll be the next VPís call. He told the AA beards group that a Fed/secret service/etc with a beard will have to shave before getting flightdeck access. SMH.
It is crazy that male FAs can have beards, earrings, crazy hair, tattoos, etc, but it is unprofessional for pilots to do the same. If anything, they should be held to a higher standard, because they deal with the customers directly. There's plenty of executives with beards, including Vasu.


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Old 09-16-2023, 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
Management has the prerogative to dictate professional uniform standards, unless otherwise negotiated in the CBA. Don't know why they need to rationalize their decision.

Maybe they're fully prepared to allow beards, but intend to put on some theater and stall in hopes of extracting negotiating concessions.

Although they could enhance their recruiting by giving away beards for free, they'd get a few die-hard beard aficionados from 91/135 and maybe Air Canada. The Canucks get paid half of what we do, but they don't have to shave!
Concession for beards? lol nah
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Old 09-16-2023, 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
Don't know why they need to rationalize their decision.
There is no rationalization for it, it makes absolutely zero sense other than some boomers who are still clinging to their old cranky ways. It's not for safety, and it's not for professionalism... otherwise they wouldn't let the FA's have facial hair.
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