Kahului - Hard Landing
02-01-2024, 12:24 AM
#21
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Originally Posted by Rama
How is there an FO that passes 100 or worse 200 hours of IOE without being flagged?
Did the airlines not learn anything from the Buffalo crash?
Did the airlines not learn anything from the Buffalo crash?
02-01-2024, 03:45 AM
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Originally Posted by A330FoodCritic
So if you are off IOE everything is A OK if you destroy an airplane?
02-01-2024, 03:51 AM
#23
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Originally Posted by BlueJuicer17
This was unheard of back in the day and would lead to termination well short of 100 hours. But, with DEI, the standards have been decreased.
Desperate airlines have always looked the other way. American must have a staffing problem if they've got to give extra extra chances.
02-01-2024, 05:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Waffle
Absolutely ridiculous.
Desperate airlines have always looked the other way. American must have a staffing problem if they've got to give extra extra chances.
Desperate airlines have always looked the other way. American must have a staffing problem if they've got to give extra extra chances.
02-01-2024, 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by BlueJuicer17
This was unheard of back in the day and would lead to termination well short of 100 hours. But, with DEI, the standards have been decreased.
The pilot who did something epically stupid and caused me to have 35 surgeries had 18 failed training events when I could have been dismissed (Navy) with 3 and more than 6 was unheard of.
Thank god they just went full bore moron with just me and not a helicopter full of Marines.
02-01-2024, 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
You should not be fired solely for a bad landing. If however you have a history of checkride failures, needed extra sims and IOE then termination might be the best for everyone involved. Train to proficiency does nothing to offset basic potential or lack of in a individual.
If however this was a one off and the person involved has a solid training record they should certainly be retained.
If however this was a one off and the person involved has a solid training record they should certainly be retained.
Originally Posted by Rama
OGG can be tricky.
Wind really whips through the valley and can make for less than desireable landings.
Of course LIH Rwy 21 causes the most embarrassing landings.
Wind really whips through the valley and can make for less than desireable landings.
Of course LIH Rwy 21 causes the most embarrassing landings.
02-01-2024, 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by TheRaven
Plane is still out there....unconfirmed rumor is that it might be a write-off.
02-01-2024, 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo
Agree with the above. I've never been one to cast stones or MMQB on this stuff. I've made some thumpers in my day that's for sure. Hopefully the FO is back out there flying soon.
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