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RippinClapBombs 09-07-2024 07:36 AM

Deactivated from the S&P 500 after joining on March 16, 2015. Activated to the S&P MidCap 400.

Tbh all airline stocks are junk, terrible investments. DAL down 30%, UAL down 50%, AAL down 60% on 5y chart.

Idc about the stock. I care about management paying off debts efficiently so we have the capital to purchase new shiny things.


Name User 09-07-2024 07:59 AM


Originally Posted by Margaritaville (Post 3835307)
So we still getting paid this month? This is a management and Wall St problem not a pilot problem. Just fly the airplane and worry about the things you can control.

I agree, (for now) the issue becomes if we get so cheap someone buys us for our parts. That was a real concern back when Doug was running things for a brief period as well.

Getting kicked from the S&P isn't the end of the world but it's not great. Many Americans invest in the S&P and it helps keep your stock price up just because everyone is buying it blindly.

United will surpass our fleet size sometime over the next year or two if their deliveries continue. Delta makes massively more profit than we do. The question should be asked, what does a 2030, 2040, 2050 AA look like? Is there room for three legacy network carriers in the US?

SWA does domestic better/cheaper than us, and DL and UA do international better than us. We just sort of exist right now. Kinda like UA in 2010-2016.

Montcalm 09-07-2024 08:23 AM


Originally Posted by Name User (Post 3835327)

United will surpass our fleet size sometime over the next year or two if their deliveries continue.


They already have.

skruts 09-07-2024 08:26 AM


Originally Posted by Name User (Post 3835327)
I agree, (for now) the issue becomes if we get so cheap someone buys us for our parts.

Take a deep breath. Go outside for a little. Drink some water. It will be ok.

FLYMIA 09-07-2024 08:33 AM


Originally Posted by Margaritaville (Post 3835307)
So we still getting paid this month? This is a management and Wall St problem not a pilot problem. Just fly the airplane and worry about the things you can control.

I'm not saying we aren't getting paid or that AA is on the verge of shutting down doom and gloom. Of course these issues bother me as they should you. You have a vested interest in our future here and should care about the course that is plotted. Obviously we don't have control over these things but I'm not going to stop talking about said issues.

The article I posted wasn't the best, heres another one. Though I'm not much of a fan from these guys. https://viewfromthewing.com/american...out-of-sp-500/

FLYMIA 09-07-2024 08:35 AM


Originally Posted by RippinClapBombs (Post 3835315)
Deactivated from the S&P 500 after joining on March 16, 2015. Activated to the S&P MidCap 400.

Tbh all airline stocks are junk, terrible investments. DAL down 30%, UAL down 50%, AAL down 60% on 5y chart.

Idc about the stock. I care about management paying off debts efficiently so we have the capital to purchase new shiny things.

This. fillllllerr

Margaritaville 09-07-2024 09:08 AM


Originally Posted by FLYMIA (Post 3835342)
I'm not saying we aren't getting paid or that AA is on the verge of shutting down doom and gloom. Of course these issues bother me as they should you. You have a vested interest in our future here and should care about the course that is plotted. Obviously we don't have control over these things but I'm not going to stop talking about said issues.

The article I posted wasn't the best, heres another one. Though I'm not much of a fan from these guys. https://viewfromthewing.com/american...out-of-sp-500/

Still beats the hell out of where we came from my friend. Everything cycles in this industry. AA is still paying down debt. This isn't the time to climb out on the ledge just because UA is overextending themselves and DL is making money hand over fist as usual while they screw their employees and customers over. AA isn't going out of business. "Too big to fail". If anything Uncle Sugar will get involved again. Stocks mean nothing unless you're a hedge fund.

JulesWinfield 09-07-2024 09:20 AM


Originally Posted by Name User (Post 3835327)
I agree, (for now) the issue becomes if we get so cheap someone buys us for our parts. That was a real concern back when Doug was running things for a brief period as well.

Getting kicked from the S&P isn't the end of the world but it's not great. Many Americans invest in the S&P and it helps keep your stock price up just because everyone is buying it blindly.

United will surpass our fleet size sometime over the next year or two if their deliveries continue. Delta makes massively more profit than we do. The question should be asked, what does a 2030, 2040, 2050 AA look like? Is there room for three legacy network carriers in the US?

SWA does domestic better/cheaper than us, and DL and UA do international better than us. We just sort of exist right now. Kinda like UA in 2010-2016.

No one is going to buy this much debt.

Margaritaville 09-07-2024 09:25 AM


Originally Posted by JulesWinfield (Post 3835359)
No one is going to buy this much debt.

Yeah. It's the best poison pill we could hope for.

AA will do what's it's always done. Plod along and be mediocre and keep their head just above the water. We all knew it when we came here. As long as the paychecks keep clearing I'll keep doing my job and enjoying my days off. Management makes the big bucks to worry about Wall St. not us.

CRJCapitan 09-07-2024 09:32 AM


Originally Posted by Name User (Post 3835327)
The question should be asked, what does a 2030, 2040, 2050 AA look like? Is there room for three legacy network carriers in the US?

SWA does domestic better/cheaper than us, and DL and UA do international better than us. We just sort of exist right now. Kinda like UA in 2010-2016.

I think you just answered your own question. All three of these carriers are cyclical and it'll ebb and flow as to who is mediocre and who is really doing well.


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