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GrayFlyer 09-07-2024 01:35 PM


Originally Posted by Archiee (Post 3835401)
They are cutting the unprofitable and sticking with what makes them money.

AA has already lost the "high value" customers.

There is a reason why there is zero growth in JFK, lax and ord.
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You're under-informed then. B6's intra-westcoast routes made money. Management thinks they can make more money in the immediate future by sending those planes to the Caribbean in exchange for gutting their west coast structure. B6 has an activist investor whose primary strategy is to invest in companies he believes in, but which he thinks are stymied by dysfunctional C-suites. Watch an interview of him and he says it very clearly, his aim is always to fix and/or replace upper-level management and then watch for positive results to trickle down into the company, thereby turning the whole place around. The goal of B6's current management is to make the next quarter green at all costs, long-term strategy be damned. They are trying to keep their jobs. Yes, their actions will probably help right the ship, but it comes with a high cost of not only continuing to underserve fly-over USA, but now extending that lack-luster strategy to the west coast. Ask your nearest west coast friend if they've ever flown on JetBlue. Drive around the large west coast cities and see if you spot any JetBlue advertising. It's not a thing. Do you honestly think B6's west coast customers want to connect through JFK/BOS to get to their new EU destinations? Or, conversely, would their east coast customers want to connect through LAX to reach their long-promised destinations in Hawaii? No, hell no. If you were thinking long-term, you'd be taking different actions. This is a short-term strategy and everyone knows it. All airlines struggle in LAX because nobody dominates it, not to mention all of the ancillary airports in Socal. There's 24 million people in Socal, plus another 3.5 million in Northern Baja (who, yes, use LAX because TIJ/SAN/SNA/ONT don't offer the same type of long-haul service). If you want to work for an airline that doesn't care to cater to such a large potential customer base, by all means, apply to B6, but don't think for a second that any legacy carrier is short-sighted enough to consider your suggestion.

Judge Smails 09-07-2024 01:50 PM


Originally Posted by Margaritaville (Post 3835355)
Still beats the hell out of where we came from my friend. Everything cycles in this industry. AA is still paying down debt. This isn't the time to climb out on the ledge just because UA is overextending themselves and DL is making money hand over fist as usual while they screw their employees and customers over. AA isn't going out of business. "Too big to fail". If anything Uncle Sugar will get involved again. Stocks mean nothing unless you're a hedge fund.

UA is the flavor of the month right now, but their growth ambitions are sorta scary. 27,000+ pilots planned and an obscene number of aircraft on order. It's interesting because Kirby has said at this point the industry is inelastic...you can't create demand outta nothing. If it works out, good for them...but if it doesn't, it's gonna be ugly.

Archiee 09-07-2024 02:54 PM


Originally Posted by GrayFlyer (Post 3835442)
You're under-informed then. B6's intra-westcoast routes made money. Management thinks they can make more money in the immediate future by sending those planes to the Caribbean in exchange for gutting their west coast structure. B6 has an activist investor whose primary strategy is to invest in companies he believes in, but which he thinks are stymied by dysfunctional C-suites. Watch an interview of him and he says it very clearly, his aim is always to fix and/or replace upper-level management and then watch for positive results to trickle down into the company, thereby turning the whole place around. The goal of B6's current management is to make the next quarter green at all costs, long-term strategy be damned. They are trying to keep their jobs. Yes, their actions will probably help right the ship, but it comes with a high cost of not only continuing to underserve fly-over USA, but now extending that lack-luster strategy to the west coast. Ask your nearest west coast friend if they've ever flown on JetBlue. Drive around the large west coast cities and see if you spot any JetBlue advertising. It's not a thing. Do you honestly think B6's west coast customers want to connect through JFK/BOS to get to their new EU destinations? Or, conversely, would their east coast customers want to connect through LAX to reach their long-promised destinations in Hawaii? No, hell no. If you were thinking long-term, you'd be taking different actions. This is a short-term strategy and everyone knows it. All airlines struggle in LAX because nobody dominates it, not to mention all of the ancillary airports in Socal. There's 24 million people in Socal, plus another 3.5 million in Northern Baja (who, yes, use LAX because TIJ/SAN/SNA/ONT don't offer the same type of long-haul service). If you want to work for an airline that doesn't care to cater to such a large potential customer base, by all means, apply to B6, but don't think for a second that any legacy carrier is short-sighted enough to consider your suggestion.

JetBlues west coast customers are Alaska Flyers.

iahflyr 09-07-2024 10:21 PM

JetBlue cut their west coast flights way back

sailingfun 09-08-2024 03:32 AM


Originally Posted by JulesWinfield (Post 3835314)
We aren’t anywhere close to bankruptcy or the stock going to zero. If you want to talk about management doing a **** poor job, have at it, but sulking about the stock price is odd.

Stock price has a lot to do with the future of a company. It to extent determines the cost to borrow capital, procure assets and influence political aspects. By far however the most important thing is keeping corporate raiders out of the balance sheet and cash flow. Corporate raider is a old term that is now called private equity. Sounds much better. Private equity comes in like a giant cash sucking vacuum. They suck up the cash for their investors and bolt for the next victim to bleed dry.

Pilot4000 09-08-2024 04:31 AM

United would LOVE if AA pulled out of JFK.

ImSoSuss 09-08-2024 04:41 AM


Originally Posted by Archiee (Post 3835401)
They are cutting the unprofitable and sticking with what makes them money.

AA has already lost the "high value" customers.

There is a reason why there is zero growth in JFK, lax and ord.
​​

Your strategy sucks and is already losing 'caus' that's what we are doing now. Shrink DFW and CLT, we already stuff too much through there. Any cost savings we get from over utilizing those airports are lost during our extreme and numerous industry leading IROPS at those two locations. We are permanently losing customers because if this misguided strategy. Move CLT slots to ORD and DFW slots to PHX. Grow ORD back up to 1000 plus pilots. You diversify flying to combat IROPs with ORD and you take advantage of the year-round great weather of PHX. Win win win.

JulesWinfield 09-08-2024 06:31 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3835519)
Stock price has a lot to do with the future of a company. It to extent determines the cost to borrow capital, procure assets and influence political aspects. By far however the most important thing is keeping corporate raiders out of the balance sheet and cash flow. Corporate raider is a old term that is now called private equity. Sounds much better. Private equity comes in like a giant cash sucking vacuum. They suck up the cash for their investors and bolt for the next victim to bleed dry.

Have you seen the AA balance sheet? There’s nothing to raid.

dsevo 09-08-2024 04:55 PM


Originally Posted by JulesWinfield (Post 3835552)
Have you seen the AA balance sheet? There’s nothing to raid.

Dont bother. People who make these comments have zero clue how corporate finance works. None, whatsoever.

ImSoSuss 09-08-2024 06:06 PM


Originally Posted by ImSoSuss (Post 3835531)
Your strategy sucks and is already losing 'caus' that's what we are doing now. Shrink DFW and CLT, we already stuff too much through there. Any cost savings we get from over utilizing those airports are lost during our extreme and numerous industry leading IROPS at those two locations. We are permanently losing customers because if this misguided strategy. Move CLT slots to ORD and DFW slots to PHX. Grow ORD back up to 1000 plus pilots. You diversify flying to combat IROPs with ORD and you take advantage of the year-round great weather of PHX. Win win win.

Follow my strategy.

MAGA

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