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Old 09-07-2024 | 09:48 AM
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As long the paychecks keep coming who cares?

At this point it would do AA some good to use the retirements to realistically align the airline and bases that should be dehubbed like JFK, ord and lax.
AA should play to it's strengths in dfw, dca, phl, Mia and phx and dump the places it struggles in. Jfk, lax and ord are money losing pits that do nothing but cannibalize resources that could be used for the more profitable hubs.

Would also solve the issues of a/c deliveries. aa is not like delta or United, AA is more like the old USAir. A full service Lcc.

JetBlue is doing the same thing and it's working.

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Old 09-07-2024 | 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Archiee
As long the paychecks keep coming who cares?
At this point it would do AA some good to use the retirements to realistically align the airline and bases that should be dehubbed like JFK, ord and lax.
AA should play to it's strengths in dfw, dca, phl, Mia and phx and dump the places is struggles.

Would also solve the issues of a/c deliveries. aa is not like delta or United, AA is more like the old USAir. A full service Lcc.

JetBlue is doing the same thing and it's working.
You have to have at least a decent presence in those markets. They're too important to simply give up.

JetBlue literally just started their plan and they just took out almost three billion in loans at ridiculously high rates. The jury is going to be out for a long time as to whether they are righting the ship.
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Old 09-07-2024 | 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Archiee
At this point it would do AA some good to use the retirements to realistically align the airline and bases that should be dehubbed like JFK, ord and lax.

No way this isn’t a troll post.
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Old 09-07-2024 | 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Montcalm
No way this isn’t a troll post.
Why would it be a troll?
AA is failing in all three of those cities and other hubs are being harmed as a result of the vein attempt to make those replaces work.
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Old 09-07-2024 | 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Archiee
As long the paychecks keep coming who cares?

At this point it would do AA some good to use the retirements to realistically align the airline and bases that should be dehubbed like JFK, ord and lax.
AA should play to it's strengths in dfw, dca, phl, Mia and phx and dump the places it struggles in. Jfk, lax and ord are money losing pits that do nothing but cannibalize resources that could be used for the more profitable hubs.

Would also solve the issues of a/c deliveries. aa is not like delta or United, AA is more like the old USAir. A full service Lcc.

JetBlue is doing the same thing and it's working.
Hahahahahahaha. It's working? Please explain how. Give up LAX and Socal at your own peril.
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Old 09-07-2024 | 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Archiee
As long the paychecks keep coming who cares?

At this point it would do AA some good to use the retirements to realistically align the airline and bases that should be dehubbed like JFK, ord and lax.
AA should play to it's strengths in dfw, dca, phl, Mia and phx and dump the places it struggles in. Jfk, lax and ord are money losing pits that do nothing but cannibalize resources that could be used for the more profitable hubs.

Would also solve the issues of a/c deliveries. aa is not like delta or United, AA is more like the old USAir. A full service Lcc.

JetBlue is doing the same thing and it's working.
JB is on the verge of following Spirit down the toilet. Just took out a high internet $3B loan to keep the place afloat. They're burning the furniture now. Not a good example of what to do.

Dehubbing JFK, ORD and LAX is asinine. All we would be doing is giving up the few remaining high value customers we have to United and Delta. It's not all about Joe Sixpack in Philly who wants to fly to FLL a few times a year.
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Old 09-07-2024 | 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Margaritaville
JB is on the verge of following Spirit down the toilet. Just took out a high internet $3B loan to keep the place afloat. They're burning the furniture now. Not a good example of what to do.

Dehubbing JFK, ORD and LAX is asinine. All we would be doing is giving up the few remaining high value customers we have to United and Delta. It's not all about Joe Sixpack in Philly who wants to fly to FLL a few times a year.
They are cutting the unprofitable and sticking with what makes them money.

AA has already lost the "high value" customers.

There is a reason why there is zero growth in JFK, lax and ord.
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Old 09-07-2024 | 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Archiee
They are cutting the unprofitable and sticking with what makes them money.

AA has already lost the "high value" customers.

There is a reason why there is zero growth in JFK, lax and ord.
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cant really grow JFK, slot controlled. No point in growing LAX until construction is done. Grow ORD with what airplanes being delivered?
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Old 09-07-2024 | 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Archiee
They are cutting the unprofitable and sticking with what makes them money.

AA has already lost the "high value" customers.

There is a reason why there is zero growth in JFK, lax and ord.
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They have not lost high value customers. Keeping those slots is more valuable than the slots not generating much profit. It’s part of the game. Nobody makes much profit out of LA and NY.

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Old 09-07-2024 | 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by JulesWinfield
No one is going to buy this much debt.
Valid, I hadn't thought of that.

Originally Posted by CRJCapitan
I think you just answered your own question. All three of these carriers are cyclical and it'll ebb and flow as to who is mediocre and who is really doing well.
Yes that is why I wrote that. People forget that AA made the most profit of any carrier back in 2016 IIRC, it was $7b. I'm optimisitc personally.
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