Originally Posted by JackTheTipper (Post 3962258)

Ah so the military pilots don’t feel catered to ENOUGH?

its not enough that you get preferential hiring despite being some of the least 121 experienced pilots in the pool, and often struggle adapting to the operation? You want even MORE preferential treatment? It’s not enough that all your buddies walk your resumes in with an interview attached?

You are not serious people.

Originally Posted by APTAP (Post 3962683)

sure, but anyone who has ever been to the website and doesn’t realize that it’s a veteran organization, has to be really unaware of things right in front of them. And to attend as a non-veteran, you had to select that option to get your ticket.

Way before RTAG, there was APTAP (Army Pilot To Airline Pilot). So, yeah military pilots helping military pilots figure out how to get to the airlines is nothing new. RTAG just took it a lot further and made into something really special.

Originally Posted by Bigpimppilot (Post 3963064)

I wasn’t aware there used to be another group before. Where did they go? What is more special about rtag. Serious questions.

As long as you were a veteran, which has nothing to do with the acronym RTAG.

Originally Posted by WhatsV2 (Post 3962323)

This is the guy who thinks he’s gonna be competitive with 3k TT and 0 PIC. Checks lol

Originally Posted by rockelino (Post 3962350)

For reference: the 22 year old USAF pilot trainee has more TPIC hours than you, one month after starting UPT.

Originally Posted by Cleared4appch (Post 3962524)

As a guy who comes from a civilian background, I strongly disagree with your ridiculous assessment. It sounds like you’re coming from a position of envy or jealousy or something, idk. That’s what I’m getting a whiff of.

I taught civilians as a CFI, then moved on to teaching military pilots as a civilian contractor for the U.S. Army. While military pilots aren’t perfect, here are some things I’ve observed:

1) This is the biggest. They are far, FAR more motivated and disciplined to get the job done, and GET AFTER it more than anything I’ve ever seen with like, 95% of my civilian colleagues. I RARELY told my army students to get studying. I ALWAYS had to tell my civilians to get cracking on studying. This is not meant to be a dig towards my civilian cohorts, just something I’ve observed as a matter of fact, based on my experiences as an IP having taught both civilian students and military students. I can’t help but notice the differences with the discipline and motivation levels between the 2 groups. It’s pretty damn obvious. Most of my civilian cohorts have not taught both military and civilian students, only civilians. So they aren’t aware that there are in fact, tremendous differences between the 2.

2). Military pilots tend to have a much thicker skin than civilians do. I’ve seen this time and time again. I’ve noticed this in my airline career so far on a 121 flight deck, and I noticed it as an instructor. They definitely learn from their mistakes and don’t take things personally. Are there some exceptions? Of course. But by and large, military guys seem to be much better able to ‘get back up, wipe the dust off them, and move forward, try it again, and don’t give up’ then I’ve ever seen on average with civilians. Are there some civilians who exhibit these characteristics? Certainly, but there just aren’t that many of them.

3) Military guys, on average compared to civilians, seem to know how to wear the airline pilot uniform correctly and don’t need to be told how to wear it. I’ve seen too many civilians especially the younger ones at my regional shop that seem to constantly disregard the FOM and what it says on how to wear the uniform properly. Some people are an utter embarrassment with how they wear it. This attitude is far reaching and it affects their presentation, in my opinion when it comes to getting a job at a major. Maybe if they’d present themselves a little better, maybe they could snag a CJO sooner? Maybe??? Just throwing it out there. I’ve heard more than my share of captains complain about seeing military guys getting CJO’s at majors and bitxxing about how ‘the majors are a buddy system for military dudes, it’s all about knowing someone from your squadron, and then you’re in.’ Yes, some idiot actually said that. And he was a terrible captain to fly with too. After doing a 4 day with him, it became obvious as to why he wasn’t getting calls from the majors. And this was during the ‘hiring surge’ in 2023 mind you.

4) Military pilots, on average, seem to know how to follow standardization better than civilians do. I’ve had too many civilian FO’s that complain about why we need to do things a particular way, this is BS, that’s BS, blah blah blah, far more than I’ve seen military pilots do it. It’s really aggravating as a captain to listen to it. I asked one FO who ‘strongly disagreed’ with how the company wants us to fly a descend via profile on a star saying it’s ’just Stupid, doesn’t make sense.’ I said to him man I hope you don’t deviate from the standards so much when you upgrade, because speaking up to you as an FO will become a nightmare, and your an accident waiting to happen. Don’t be doing that crap with my family onboard. We aren’t a 135 op. He immediately toned it down after that.

But anyway, i digress. Think you get the point, maybe, maybe not, I don’t really care. But, one thing I’ve noticed with some of my FO’s lately, especially the younger ones, is that quite a few of them seem to have a really thin skin. Suck it up, buttercup. You’re not special. I don’t care what your mommy and daddy said about you your whole life growing up. You aren’t special. You can either take that as a personal insult, or take it and use it for some serious self correction, and better yourself and do something to make yourself look more competitive, and less entitled.

Originally Posted by Sliceback (Post 3963898)

Seconding your post - Buddy's son, with approx. 700 hrs, fresh CFI MEI, became the ME instructor when the previous got left for the regionals. He had the same thoughts - "why do the airlines like ex-military guys, and especially fighter pilots?" They had a lot of military guys getting their ATP/MEI as customers. "I get it now. The military guys show up prepared. They've studied, they study stuff you tell them to look at, you can tell they've had good training, they learn quickly and listen to, and fix, what you point out. The fighter pilots are better. They fly better, maybe not initially as it's a vastly different airplane, but they learn, and adapt, quickly. I can see why the airlines prefer them." Not an actual quote by an accurate synopsis of our conversation. Of course there's exceptions but he said, after dozens of military students, that there's a difference. He found the civilian students more likely to be frustrating for lack of performance, studying, preparedness, etc.

It's funny listening to younger pilots be frustrated by their age peers or guys a bit less experienced than them. If they see it maybe it's not just old New Balance wearers complaining needlessly.

Originally Posted by Uzername (Post 3964619)

First post here...

Just got the email to do the first assessment after applying. Seen a few things online saying it's a "Cut-E type test". Is that accurate? Can anyone give me an idea what's on this thing?

Thank you!

Originally Posted by GunnF16 (Post 3964626)

I used https://airlineassessmentprep.com/cu...d-assessments/ when I was prepping 2 years ago. I think I paid for 1 month, practiced for a few days, got the gist, cancelled and did the AA app. There's other sites out there but it's basic hand eye coordination type tests on an ipad or touch screen laptop