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Name User 04-10-2026 06:31 PM
Originally Posted by AAdvocate (Post 4022099)
Sounds like the senior folks got us into this mess. I do not want to spend an ounce of negotiating capital to get out of it. Much more important things needs to be fixed.
See that's the great thing about it, no need. We just stop using it and go back to DOTC. Problem solved.

AAdvocate 04-10-2026 06:34 PM
Originally Posted by Name User (Post 4022100)
See that's the great thing about it, no need. We just stop using it and go back to DOTC. Problem solved.
Which is fine but you will never get everybody to stop using it. The company would need to shut it off and if the company is starting to see APU work to their benefit they are going to ask for something in return to shut it off. Unlike Delta and United, our Union has shown us that we cannot make any significant gains in QOL provisions without giving something up.

Beech Dude 04-11-2026 02:50 AM
Originally Posted by AAdvocate (Post 4022103)
Which is fine but you will never get everybody to stop using it. The company would need to shut it off and if the company is starting to see APU work to their benefit they are going to ask for something in return to shut it off. Unlike Delta and United, our Union has shown us that we cannot make any significant gains in QOL provisions without giving something up.
Didnt alot of people complain how PM is slanted towards senior pilots? Would APU be an equalizer aka the DAL 'Green Slip' way to make it "fair"?, some advocated for?

Outside DOTC will still churn plenty, normal ops, and the more senior ballot wins out for the fly out, DH home 1-1s.

I don't think senior FOs will use APU, that hasn't really done anything yet, as a factor to upgrade; I know I sure as heck won't be.

RippinClapBombs 04-11-2026 05:05 AM
Originally Posted by AAdvocate (Post 4022099)
Sounds like the senior folks got us into this mess. I do not want to spend an ounce of negotiating capital to get out of it. Much more important things needs to be fixed.
It could be one of the best things to ever happen. Now both the union reps and senior folks will actually start caring about Section 6 of the contract because they can’t dump all their straight pay—low soft time awarded pairings for the cupcake high soft time trips that were only awarded in DOTC in seniority order.

RippinClapBombs 04-11-2026 05:15 AM
Originally Posted by Name User (Post 4022087)
APU has killed IMAX
Nah, it’s now going to make the process of IMAXing more fatiguing for the senior. They’ll now have to fly their awarded trips more often and pick up the low soft time pairings in TTS. In other words, they’re going to be required to fly the pairings that were negotiated in section 6 like everyone else.

Easyflier301 04-11-2026 05:19 AM
Originally Posted by RippinClapBombs (Post 4022182)
Nah, it’s made the process more fatiguing for the senior. They’ll now have to fly their awarded trips more often and pick up the low soft time pairings in TTS. In other words, they’re going to be required to fly the pairings that’s were negotiated in section 6 like everyone else.
perhaps true. And subsequently not drop/trade their good PBS awarded trips to those of us down lower on the food chain :(

RippinClapBombs 04-11-2026 05:29 AM
Originally Posted by Easyflier301 (Post 4022184)
perhaps true. And subsequently not drop/trade their good PBS awarded trips to those of us down lower on the food chain :(
Yup, possibly. As someone who utilizes TTS to trade most of my awarded pairings in PBS, this could be a blessing in disguise. We need better pairings limitations, everyone knows it.

ACEssXfer 04-13-2026 04:18 AM
Originally Posted by AAL24 (Post 4021480)
I don’t know if the top 10% get any special treatment from APA. The whole trips blocked for OE debacle on the WB has screwed the DFW 787/777 pilots for years. You could be top 1% seniority and not be able to hold the best trips during a particular month because nearly all of them are blocked for OE. Then if they decide they don’t need a trip they dump it into open time and it gets covered by a relatively junior reserve.
Not an APA fan but they did fix this issue with the "line check pilot" in 2023. The company refuses to implement it.

APA not doing anything about the company's refusal is a separate issue :D

Al Czervik 04-13-2026 05:08 AM
Originally Posted by ThumbsUp (Post 4021217)
When we added long duty day (<10 hours) and long sit (>2 hours) add pay at United, both long duty and long sits both became rather rare within a few bid periods.
Yup. Many wanted this here. APA knew better. Now going into negotiations the company now has a better reason to high cost this provision.

ACEssXfer 04-13-2026 05:50 AM
Originally Posted by Al Czervik (Post 4022772)
Yup. Many wanted this here. APA knew better. Now going into negotiations the company now has a better reason to high cost this provision.
The "data" was "but but but ACD." No one wants to go back to the world before ACD when a 1-1 transcon with a 24 hour overnight paid 10.8 hours. At the end of the day the company is going to find a way to save the most money possible on whatever provision we negotiate. That shouldn't stop us from getting good things in the contract.

The scheduling committee has enormous power at APA.


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