Originally Posted by AAdvocate (Post 4021112)

Was kind of shocked to see the Union's pairing analysis for May that shows surprising amount of duty periods over 10 hours....... around ~60% of them. I never realized it was that high. No wonder I feel exhausted after every sequence.

What can we do to fix this? I know other airlines have increased compensation for pilots who work more then 10 hours in a duty period. But there seems to be a large contingent of our pilots that says if we implement this at AA it will just make things worse, mostly from more senior folks. So what else can be done?

Originally Posted by AAdvocate (Post 4021112)

I know other airlines have increased compensation for pilots who work more than 10 hours in a duty period. But there seems to be a large contingent of our pilots, mostly from more senior folks, that say if we implement this at AA it will just make things worse.

Originally Posted by CRJphlyer (Post 4021125)

Wait… How would getting paid to be on duty longer than 10 hours make the schedules worse? If anything it would incentivize the company to make them better so as not to cost as much…

Originally Posted by AAdvocate (Post 4021112)

Was kind of shocked to see the Union's pairing analysis for May that shows a surprising amount of duty periods over 10 hours....... around ~60% of them. I never realized it was that high, no wonder I feel exhausted after every sequence.

What can we do to fix this? I know other airlines have increased compensation for pilots who work more then 10 hours in a duty period. But there seems to be a large contingent of our pilots, mostly from more senior folks, that say if we implement this at AA it will just make things worse. So what else can be done?

Originally Posted by Setspeed;[url=tel:4021130

4021130]Ah this conversation again.

The people FOR this provision say that the schedules can only get better. The people against it say you just don’t know what the optimizer will do. Or, that the optimizer will have less 1-3 day trips and more 4-5 day trips. Or that you’ll end up working more average daily credit trips. The 18 hour 3 days will be gone and you’ll get more 21 hour 4 days.

We own some good trip mix language that secures a % of each pairing length, but supposedly the company would want to adjust those if we get the >10 hour duty 1:1 pay.

For everyone who says wow this 13 hour duty day would pay X much now!! Well, the trip would probably not exist that way with the 1:1 >10 hours.

Anyway, that doesn’t account for maintenance or weather delays. You could almost bank on flying lower time and getting paid the same.

Originally Posted by ThumbsUp (Post 4021217)

When we added long duty day (<10 hours) and long sit (>2 hours) add pay at United, both long duty and long sits both became rather rare within a few bid periods.

Originally Posted by Setspeed (Post 4021130)

Ah this conversation again.

The people FOR this provision say that the schedules can only get better. The people against it say you just don’t know what the optimizer will do. Or, that the optimizer will have less 1-3 day trips and more 4-5 day trips. Or that you’ll end up working more average daily credit trips. The 18 hour 3 days will be gone and you’ll get more 21 hour 4 days.

We own some good trip mix language that secures a % of each pairing length, but supposedly the company would want to adjust those if we get the >10 hour duty 1:1 pay.

For everyone who says wow this 13 hour duty day would pay X much now!! Well, the trip would probably not exist that way with the 1:1 >10 hours.

Anyway, that doesn’t account for maintenance or weather delays. You could almost bank on flying lower time and getting paid the same.