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ps2sunvalley 04-10-2026 04:47 PM


Originally Posted by ClncClarence (Post 4021855)
Don’t know what to tell you. I’ve got the paystub to prove it.

Add the numbers, if operational is less than 73/76 then that sit time is added to operational and min guarantee adj to make the total 73/76.

ps2sunvalley 04-10-2026 04:48 PM


Originally Posted by JulesWinfield (Post 4021792)
Isn't sit time paid over guarantee?

No it is not.

JulesWinfield 04-10-2026 05:11 PM


Originally Posted by ps2sunvalley (Post 4022061)
No it is not.

So I've learned. This is by far the most difficult contract I've been under. This is my third carrier. You know, a lotta ins, a lotta outs, a lotta what-have-yous. And, uh, a lotta strands to keep in my head, man. Lotta strands in old Duder's head.

rockelino 04-10-2026 05:25 PM

Whether it's above guarantee or absorbed into (for reserves), can we all agree that our long duty days > 10 hrs, and bad sit rig are bad and we need the EDP rig?

ps2sunvalley 04-10-2026 06:08 PM


Originally Posted by rockelino (Post 4022076)
Whether it's above guarantee or absorbed into (for reserves), can we all agree that our long duty days > 10 hrs, and bad sit rig are bad and we need the EDP rig?

I agree. APA folks will certainly spin it as like some magic pill that will kill imax or something.

Name User 04-10-2026 06:09 PM


Originally Posted by ps2sunvalley (Post 4022086)
I agree. APA folks will certainly spin it as like some magic pill that will kill imax or something.

APU has killed IMAX

ps2sunvalley 04-10-2026 06:12 PM


Originally Posted by Name User (Post 4022087)
APU has killed IMAX

If you head to the line, folks are super ****ed about it. Ready to sharpen their pitchforks in the name of seniority. I find it funny because it was something unimplemented in an AA contract pre-2013 US Airways merger.

Anyways, it has been 2 days. How exactly has APU killed imax?

Beech Dude 04-10-2026 06:17 PM


Originally Posted by ps2sunvalley (Post 4022090)
If you head to the line, folks are super ****ed about it. Ready to sharpen their pitchforks in the name of seniority. I find it funny because it was something unimplemented in an AA contract pre-2013 US Airways merger.

Anyways, it has been 2 days. How exactly has APU killed imax?

I want EDP for us.

I want shorter sits for us.

Im not touching APU. If its good for us, let's keep it. If it sucks, Ill support getting rid of it.

Name User 04-10-2026 06:26 PM


Originally Posted by ps2sunvalley (Post 4022090)
If you head to the line, folks are super ****ed about it. Ready to sharpen their pitchforks in the name of seniority. I find it funny because it was something unimplemented in an AA contract pre-2013 US Airways merger.

Anyways, it has been 2 days. How exactly has APU killed imax?

Basically all the cherry 1-1's with DHs go to any seniority level inside three hours, which is generally when they come up.

I don't find it funny that a #15000 pilot gets an easy 1-1 over an 8000 FO because their fingers are faster, I get this board skews heavily junior but you guys won't be for long. In 3-4 years it will be you moaning about how the new hires are picking up all the nice trips.

This even has the possibility of making senior FOs upgrade now that they don't have seniority advantages. The law of unintended consequences and all that.

I don't totally understand what APU solved in todays' world, now that we have ECS/DOTC etc. APU was solving the issue where CS would have to call everyone on the list to see who wanted to fly and that could take hours, and people putting 1 min notification times on their ballots, which was just changed to 1 hour min. It was a solution for yesterdays' problems.

With DOTC which can be run automagically without even input from CS, against ballots for everyone, I just don't see the point personally and degrades everyone's QOL. Instead of chilling and getting a notification you got a trip that meets your requirements, you have to be on your phone actively holding it to have a chance of getting an APU trip. Most are gone before everyone in the bid status even gets the notification, which is another issue.

I don't IMAX for the record.

AAdvocate 04-10-2026 06:29 PM


Originally Posted by Name User (Post 4022098)
Basically all the cherry 1-1's with DHs go to any seniority level inside three hours, which is generally when they come up.

I don't find it funny that a #15000 pilot gets an easy 1-1 over an 8000 FO because their fingers are faster, I get this board skews heavily junior but you guys won't be for long. In 3-4 years it will be you moaning about how the new hires are picking up all the nice trips.

I don't totally understand what APU solved in todays' world, now that we have ECS/DOTC etc. APU was solving the issue where CS would have to call everyone on the list to see who wanted to fly and that could take hours. It was a solution for yesterdays' problems.

With DOTC which can be run automagically without even input from CS, against ballots for everyone, I just don't see the point personally and degrades everyone's QOL. Instead of chilling and getting a notification you got a trip that meets your requirements, you have to be on your phone actively holding it to have a chance of getting an APU trip. Most are gone before everyone in the bid status even gets the notification, which is another issue.

I don't IMAX for the record.

Sounds like the senior folks got us into this mess. I do not want to spend an ounce of negotiating capital to get out of it. Much more important things needs to be fixed.


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