Originally Posted by GhettoJet (Post 4023552)

Indeed. Since we are APA and they are ALPA we only get Alleghany-Mohawk and are not protected by ALPA merger policy. The broader protections of McCaskill-Bond only apply if the same union represents both workgroups at the time of the merger.

”Internal Union Merger Policy. Where one union represented both employee groups affected by a transaction prior to a merger, the CAB held that a carrier's acceptance of an integrated seniority list produced pursuant to that union's internal merger policy satisfied the obligations under Section 3. The McCaskill-Bond statute explicitly provides that the union's internal policy applies in this circumstance. While several unions have internal merger policies, most of the litigation has involved ALPA Merger Policy. Under that policy, each Master Executive Council ("MEC") at its respective merging carriers typically chooses two or three merger representatives who are given total authority to negotiate seniority integration on behalf of their MEC, with the overall process subject to the supervision of ALPA's President and Executive Council. ALPA Administrative Manual § 45 (2009). Seniority integration agreements do not require ratification, but the integrated seniority list is generally part of a combined CBA, which does. To avoid having seniority list concerns artificially distort combined CBA negotiation and ratification, ALPA promotes in the application of its most recently revised Merger Policy the resolution of a combined CBA prior to the completion of the seniority list integration process (as was the case in the recent Delta-Northwest and Pinnacle-Mesaba and Colgan mergers and as ALPA is attempting to do with regard to the United-Continental merger). The MEC merger representatives must attempt to negotiate an agreement, but should they fail to do so, the ALPA merger provisions provide for mediation and for binding arbitration.The ALPA Merger Policy in particular differs from the Allegheny-Mohawk LPPs primarily in three ways. First, in an effort to more comprehensively protect pilot career interests…”

Should have signed those ALPA cards when you had the chance. Now you are hoping a BOD that would sell your mother down the river for another month or two of fringe benefits will do the right thing.

Originally Posted by Setspeed (Post 4023607)

Ok who had trading cards on their bingo card as the big announcement

Originally Posted by RippinClapBombs (Post 4023579)

Buddy settle down. I originally thought you were trolling, but apparently not. We’re not merging with United, it would never be allowed (thankfully), neither pilot group wants anything to do with such a proposal.

Also, you sound no different than the lunatics that told us we’d get screwed joining ALPA if AA merged their WO regionals into mainline.

Originally Posted by Boeing Aviator (Post 4023707)

United pilot. I know it’s not going to happen. Although I have no doubt that Kirby would sell out his own mother in a NY second, if it suited him. He’s a slimy- slippery character that’s only looking for personal attention. First he had his head so far up Biden’s rear end now it’s up Trumps’s. it’s totally disgusting!

if it did happen, I don’t care who the surviving carrier is, the ISL will be determined by arbitrators. The only thing I hope that survives from United side is the non-rev pass boarding priority via a date of hire, not who checks in first. Sorry, but that system sucks and totally violates the seniority system.

Anyways, wishing the best for you guys and us too, and like most say it’s probably not gonna happen.

Originally Posted by BrazilBusDriver (Post 4023659)

He keeps conveniently leaving out the part where if it's not a same union merger, the CAB's Allegany-Mohawk merger provisions apply and there has to be an arbitrated seniority list that reflects the career expectations of both parties. Specifically to prevent TWA-AA from happening again, as CAB rules were no longer in effect after deregulation (as I understand the situation).

This was written into the 2007 FAA reauth by both MO senators (an R and D in those days) and in response to how (or at least the perception that) APA bent TWA ALPA over the barrel.

Originally Posted by joepilot50 (Post 4023719)

Now you won't get on because that gate agent who has been there for 50 years will beat you to that seat.....

But I will trade that if you agree to keep our reservable jumpseat.

In this 1% chance of this merger scenario.....

Originally Posted by Boeing Aviator (Post 4023770)

Absolutely, wish we could reserve the jumpseat like you guys.