Will AA still hire in 2012?
12-20-2011, 09:34 PM
#21
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Originally Posted by satpak77
albeit going to a Ch.11 carrier is always a dice roll, but the craps table called "AA" is potentially going to be a huge pay-out for the younger guy who gets hired, in light of the older workforce/mandatory retirements, etc etc stuff.
timing is everything in this business. FO to Captain may be quicker at AA than any other major once AA gets their Ch.11 gameplan figured out and hiring resumes.
timing is everything in this business. FO to Captain may be quicker at AA than any other major once AA gets their Ch.11 gameplan figured out and hiring resumes.
Still waiting to see what the mins or competitive mins will be!
12-21-2011, 01:23 PM
#22
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I think it will be really interesting to see what happens when AA starts needing new warm bodies again. Sure there are "only" 600 guys not yet offered recall. However, IIRC, the last recall class that actually happened was made up completely of cancelled deferrals.
12-22-2011, 03:31 AM
#23
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AA73 is hallucinating. With the new FAA FTDT rules, there is no doubt in my mind that there's going to be very significant furloughs.
AA is going to cherry pick the rules for the full two years, utilizing the increased flight time and ignore the international reserve RAPs and other very slightly less productive rest regs, few of which will impact the operation anyway. The FAA rules are a bonanza for management, especially with the gift of selective non-compliance for two years.
As far as Mr. Horton's remarks, that's standard. As far as the VP of Flight's remarks, he's an all-talk and no-walk kind of guy who's been pumping fake sunshine up the pilots' butts for way over a year now, and 99% of it has been utter BS. So, one shouldn't take anything he has to say as factual or predictive.
I believe Horton is going to use his one chance at the RESET button and is will force a US Airways caliber contract on the pilots. By the middle of Feb, it should be apparent if AA is going to change it's culture, or slide further down the road to airline oblivion.
The senior captain group, in general, is dumb as a box of rocks. Most of whom ignored plain warnings to retire while they could still get their A Fund.
But hiring in 2012? No way. Besides, you're not going to want to work there anyway.
AA is going to cherry pick the rules for the full two years, utilizing the increased flight time and ignore the international reserve RAPs and other very slightly less productive rest regs, few of which will impact the operation anyway. The FAA rules are a bonanza for management, especially with the gift of selective non-compliance for two years.
As far as Mr. Horton's remarks, that's standard. As far as the VP of Flight's remarks, he's an all-talk and no-walk kind of guy who's been pumping fake sunshine up the pilots' butts for way over a year now, and 99% of it has been utter BS. So, one shouldn't take anything he has to say as factual or predictive.
I believe Horton is going to use his one chance at the RESET button and is will force a US Airways caliber contract on the pilots. By the middle of Feb, it should be apparent if AA is going to change it's culture, or slide further down the road to airline oblivion.
The senior captain group, in general, is dumb as a box of rocks. Most of whom ignored plain warnings to retire while they could still get their A Fund.
But hiring in 2012? No way. Besides, you're not going to want to work there anyway.
Last edited by Wheels up; 12-22-2011 at 03:43 AM.
12-22-2011, 05:55 AM
#24
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Originally Posted by Wheels up
AA73 is hallucinating. With the new FAA FTDT rules, there is no doubt in my mind that there's going to be very significant furloughs.
AA is going to cherry pick the rules for the full two years, utilizing the increased flight time and ignore the international reserve RAPs and other very slightly less productive rest regs, few of which will impact the operation anyway. The FAA rules are a bonanza for management, especially with the gift of selective non-compliance for two years.
As far as Mr. Horton's remarks, that's standard. As far as the VP of Flight's remarks, he's an all-talk and no-walk kind of guy who's been pumping fake sunshine up the pilots' butts for way over a year now, and 99% of it has been utter BS. So, one shouldn't take anything he has to say as factual or predictive.
I believe Horton is going to use his one chance at the RESET button and is will force a US Airways caliber contract on the pilots. By the middle of Feb, it should be apparent if AA is going to change it's culture, or slide further down the road to airline oblivion.
The senior captain group, in general, is dumb as a box of rocks. Most of whom ignored plain warnings to retire while they could still get their A Fund.
But hiring in 2012? No way. Besides, you're not going to want to work there anyway.
AA is going to cherry pick the rules for the full two years, utilizing the increased flight time and ignore the international reserve RAPs and other very slightly less productive rest regs, few of which will impact the operation anyway. The FAA rules are a bonanza for management, especially with the gift of selective non-compliance for two years.
As far as Mr. Horton's remarks, that's standard. As far as the VP of Flight's remarks, he's an all-talk and no-walk kind of guy who's been pumping fake sunshine up the pilots' butts for way over a year now, and 99% of it has been utter BS. So, one shouldn't take anything he has to say as factual or predictive.
I believe Horton is going to use his one chance at the RESET button and is will force a US Airways caliber contract on the pilots. By the middle of Feb, it should be apparent if AA is going to change it's culture, or slide further down the road to airline oblivion.
The senior captain group, in general, is dumb as a box of rocks. Most of whom ignored plain warnings to retire while they could still get their A Fund.
But hiring in 2012? No way. Besides, you're not going to want to work there anyway.
Does this guy hate AA and it's pilots or what ?
12-22-2011, 09:04 AM
#25
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Originally Posted by Wheels up
AA is going to cherry pick the rules for the full two years, utilizing the increased flight time and ignore the international reserve RAPs and other very slightly less productive rest regs, few of which will impact the operation anyway. The FAA rules are a bonanza for management, especially with the gift of selective non-compliance for two years.
12-22-2011, 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Wheels up
AA73 is hallucinating. With the new FAA FTDT rules, there is no doubt in my mind that there's going to be very significant furloughs.
AA is going to cherry pick the rules for the full two years, utilizing the increased flight time and ignore the international reserve RAPs and other very slightly less productive rest regs, few of which will impact the operation anyway. The FAA rules are a bonanza for management, especially with the gift of selective non-compliance for two years.
As far as Mr. Horton's remarks, that's standard. As far as the VP of Flight's remarks, he's an all-talk and no-walk kind of guy who's been pumping fake sunshine up the pilots' butts for way over a year now, and 99% of it has been utter BS. So, one shouldn't take anything he has to say as factual or predictive.
I believe Horton is going to use his one chance at the RESET button and is will force a US Airways caliber contract on the pilots. By the middle of Feb, it should be apparent if AA is going to change it's culture, or slide further down the road to airline oblivion.
The senior captain group, in general, is dumb as a box of rocks. Most of whom ignored plain warnings to retire while they could still get their A Fund.
But hiring in 2012? No way. Besides, you're not going to want to work there anyway.
AA is going to cherry pick the rules for the full two years, utilizing the increased flight time and ignore the international reserve RAPs and other very slightly less productive rest regs, few of which will impact the operation anyway. The FAA rules are a bonanza for management, especially with the gift of selective non-compliance for two years.
As far as Mr. Horton's remarks, that's standard. As far as the VP of Flight's remarks, he's an all-talk and no-walk kind of guy who's been pumping fake sunshine up the pilots' butts for way over a year now, and 99% of it has been utter BS. So, one shouldn't take anything he has to say as factual or predictive.
I believe Horton is going to use his one chance at the RESET button and is will force a US Airways caliber contract on the pilots. By the middle of Feb, it should be apparent if AA is going to change it's culture, or slide further down the road to airline oblivion.
The senior captain group, in general, is dumb as a box of rocks. Most of whom ignored plain warnings to retire while they could still get their A Fund.
But hiring in 2012? No way. Besides, you're not going to want to work there anyway.
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12-22-2011, 08:33 PM
#27
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Wheels Up has always been a glass half empty guy, although he does have some great posts. Nevertheless he tends to be a conspiracy theorist, especially on our union board. So tell you what, the result will be somewhere in the middle of what he and I predicted.
12-23-2011, 06:24 AM
#28
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Originally Posted by aa73
Out of that 1600, we are down to about 600 that have not been offered recall: that's the number that will determine when we hire off the street. The rest of them can undefer after we start hiring.
It's my understanding that someone who bypassed a recall can undefer and go back at anytime as long as they are running classes, no? I know many may never come back, but a good amount are just waiting to come back to better seniority, at least some I know.
12-23-2011, 09:37 AM
#29
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Well, with the increase in productivity almost guaranteed to be forced on the APA by the bankruptcy judge.....I can't imagine AA will need guys for quite a while. I think many of the posters are forgetting that AA has one of the most inefficient contracts in the industry (from a management perspective). When that changes, you're going to see a complete retooling of the staffing models at AA, not in labors favor.
12-23-2011, 10:37 AM
#30
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Hello folks,
I have meet a senior AA pilot that has told me that AA has a newbie flight training school for new hires. He has gone on to tell me that if accepted I can be paid as much as $1000 a week while training. I have no prior flight training and he's stated I don't need any. He has told me that AA is about to start accepting resumes for entree into this program, and with his help maybe able to get in.
Is any of that sound true, does AA really have such a training program?
Thanks
aspiring pilot
I have meet a senior AA pilot that has told me that AA has a newbie flight training school for new hires. He has gone on to tell me that if accepted I can be paid as much as $1000 a week while training. I have no prior flight training and he's stated I don't need any. He has told me that AA is about to start accepting resumes for entree into this program, and with his help maybe able to get in.
Is any of that sound true, does AA really have such a training program?
Thanks
aspiring pilot
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