NERD

Hope that gets your attention. They don't adapt nor die. They have no new or good ideas to actually generate new revenue because that would actually take some talent. They just nickel and dime the pax and rape, pillage and plunder the employees. This goes all the way back to Crandall at AA and the horrendous b scale. To his credit, at least he wanted AA to be the biggest and baddest. Just didn't like to share with the employees. From there on it was and is a cast of losers. With this group, dare I say worse than Carty and clan. Horton has no long term interest in AA. He is a hired gun. Just like Steenland, he will/has poisened the well so bad already that AA can't be a functional airline with him at the helm after ch11 emergence. And that flunky brundage is just as bad, if not worse.

sailingfun

That may apply to employees who came from the NW side but it does not apply to former Delta employees. They took 2 10 percent cuts. When the July raise kicks in most will be 8 percent below the pre 1113 wages. The flight attendants were at 50 an hour before and will be at 46. In addition the changes in medical and other benefits where out of pocket expenses went up impact them on a greater basis. A 300 dollar increase in monthly medical expenses means a lot more to some one bringing home 2000 a month then someone bringing home 6000 a month.

Timbo

Not if that someone bringing home 2000 a month lives alone with a cat, is collecting Social Security and has Medicare coverage, while the one bringing home 6000 a month is supporting a wife and three kids, two of whom are in college...

NEVER equate a F/A job, or their pay, to ours! It takes exactly 4 days to teach any highschool drop out to open an emergency exit. How many years, and thousands of hours, and dollars, does the typical new hire pilot invest, just to be qualified to show up at a DL interview?

eaglefly

Fancy feast is expensive. Cleaning up the little guys empennage costs a thousand bucks a nut as well.

No way 2 grand a month gonna cut it. The furry little guy will sue !

Timbo

Well that's ok, because even at $46/hr. if the cat rancer is flying 100 hrs. a month, she's pulling in $4,600, not $2,000. And that's only flying 100 a month, which is 25/week. Most of our senior Mamma's are flying a lot more than that.

That will buy a lot of cat food, and I'm certain she's claiming the cats as dependants!

eaglefly

Perhaps, but let's be careful here. I'm sure there's a lot of meowing over this now and adding thousands of F/A's cats to this mess is something none of us needs. The number of animal rights lawyers added to this fiasco would be back breaking to the other parties.

B757200ER

Timbo---you need to change your position to: 56 Hope Road, Kingston.

ripster36

[QUOTE=NERD;1153925]Hope that gets your attention. They don't adapt nor die. They have no new or good ideas to actually generate new revenue because that would actually take some talent. They just nickel and dime the pax and rape, pillage and plunder the employees.

But..... You have an airline like allegiant that buys up aircraft for pennies on the dollar (no one wants them because they are old and consume lots of fuel).... Fuel cost is not a big deal if the a/c mortgage is paid off and they have a stack of resumes from guys who want to fly them for what allegiant is willing to pay..... Sounds pretty innovative to me.... Yes they nickel and dime everyone, but people are lining up to book flights, and their resume pile is overflowing with qualified applicants. As long as pilots are lining up for these jobs where these companies have to have "windows" set to handle all the applicants, we as pilots are commanding our wages....

ripster36

NEVER equate a F/A job, or their pay, to ours! It takes exactly 4 days to teach any highschool drop out to open an emergency exit. How many years, and thousands of hours, and dollars, does the typical new hire pilot invest, just to be qualified to show up at a DL interview?[/QUOTE]

You are absolutely correct! Why have all these senior flight attendants (at American for example) who have been hanging on for 20+ years who could be replaced for half the cost? There is always a pile of resumes from the 20 somethings (high school dropouts as you term) that would love to be the next sky goddess.... Only problem is that the airlines probably have a line of resumes just as long for pilot applicants (in the last "window") so how do the airlines view us any differently? It's all supply and demand and nothing will change until pilot supply dwindles, which appears to be right around the corner based on decreased flight school enrollment and the fact that 10% fewer teens got their drivers licenses in the past 4 years.... Kids here could care less about getting a drivers license, much less learn to fly ($150,000). Who wants a drivers license and all the costs with the advent of social media via a smartphone? Who wants to learn to fly and start out at 25,000 a year? Get my drift? Our biggest threat in the piloting profession are the Overseas countries that are building airline empires (emirates for example) and they will train their own pilots if they have to, no expense spared.... Something to think about if our leaders here in the USA allow "cabotage".