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Tomahawk brings up an interesting point. If AA does merge with USAir, is a bankruptcy in the newly merged company's future? Not trying to hate, I just don't trust management any more.

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Originally Posted by Tomahawk58 (Post 1182931)

None taken.

It can be hard to believe that not everyone falls for promises scripted in sand or desire his company to succeed with a model hat ensures long-term viability.

You seem to be the only person in the pilot group that thinks AMR will succeed by taking more from labor. Oh and BTW, why not tell some of the AA guys your real name? You have been telling us how senior you are, plus you make it seem that your close to retirement .. tell them who you are so we can start taking your opinion more seriously.

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Originally Posted by Tsuda (Post 1182937)

Tomahawk brings up an interesting point. If AA does merge with USAir, is a bankruptcy in the newly merged company's future? Not trying to hate, I just don't trust management any more.

NO, scare tactics .. same **** was said about delta/nw merger .. i'm sure.

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Originally Posted by olympic (Post 1182948)

NO, scare tactics .. same **** was said about delta/nw merger .. i'm sure.

Their domestic structure fit together pretty well (minus CVG and MEM), but more importantly was their international structure. NWA had a huge Asia network and DAL was big in Europe.

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Originally Posted by Tsuda (Post 1182937)

Tomahawk brings up an interesting point. If AA does merge with USAir, is a bankruptcy in the newly merged company's future? Not trying to hate, I just don't trust management any more.

Im not defending anything T-hawk says, but I really wonder how US will add any real value to AA. I completely understand why APA supports the merger (the term sheet offer is great compared to 1113) but I also wonder how Parker plans to fund the pay increases for AA/US. I believe he is over-valuing the synergies of the merger because he is going by past combinations like NWA/DAL and CAL/UAL who had the international stuff to support financial gains.

I wouldnt be surprised to see a combined US/AA back in BK after 5 years or so, but it might be worth the gamble for the majority of the pilots who only have a few years left anyways.

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Originally Posted by olympic (Post 1182948)

NO, scare tactics .. same **** was said about delta/nw merger .. i'm sure.

I respectfully disagree. I'd be for a merger with DAL, NWA(pre-DAL merger) or UA any day compared to US. Heck, I would have even be open to a US merger prior to the link up with AWA.

But, mergers have never been nor ever will be up to us pilots. APA wants to believe it can determine the future of an airline which is a pure ego and fantasy play that subjects the AA pilot group to untold pain well into the next decade if Mr. Parker has his way.

Interestingly enough, his cutthroat ways of dividing employee groups is given a pass. What's up with that?

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Originally Posted by Tomahawk58 (Post 1182872)

I appreciate the fact that I'm missed :). I do enjoy the discourse that takes place here. My predictions are these:

1. The company will in fact retain the exclusivity period and will present a POR that will be accepted by the majority of creditors.

2. The APA after attempting to sell out the membership for 30 pieces of silver will return to the table. While they truly have no interest in spending the next 10-15 years in court debating seniority integration issues, they do want to better the deal. I'm all for that if it results in a stronger and more competitive AA!

3. Mr. Parker plan is a house of cards built on fake promises that won't stand the test of time. The real danger here is that the APA succeeds in collecting their 30 pieces of silver and the rest of us pay for it a few years remove when the combined identity re-entered BK for the third time.

4. I do believe Mr. Parker alternate POR when presented this fall will be rejected by the majority of the creditors committee. See my "house of cards" comment above.

5. The ultimate irony for US will be the merger of AA and B6 thus forever sealing US's status as an also-ran.

Eaglefly is correct, neither Mr. Horton or Brundage would spend any time here. But I'm a pilot who's a diehard AAer, and I won't be cowed by the emotional comments posted here.

All the "fantasy merger" talk that has consume this forum is laughable. The APA will not be determining the future of AA or any other airline in the near or distant future.

Cheers :)

I'll have to strongly disagree your thought process is way off. You seem to forget the Billions of $ that Parker will bring to this party, billions that a standalone amr won't have access to. Goldman Sachs is already on board, why do you think that is?

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Originally Posted by cactiboss (Post 1182966)

Pray tell just where will those billions come from?

Mr Parker want to use AA's cash to finance this deal!

Sort of like a guy wanting to run off with your wife, and your money, all the while convincing her what a great deal he has in store for the both of them.

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Originally Posted by NERD (Post 1182659)

Dramahawk aka Tom Horton or Jeffery Brundage is not going to like this:)

The comments say that he was "walked out" already and Brundage was just fired so I don't think he'll mind.

I don't know what has really happened to him but, as sympathetic as I am towards labor, he has to fired right. You wouldn't want him working on your airplane would you?

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Originally Posted by Tomahawk58 (Post 1182980)

The even sadder development is just how much the APA is being played by Mr Parker all the while thinking they're "in control".

You wake in the morning and realize you threw in you lot with a guy dealing in fool's gold.

The west folks see the dance of the sugar plum fairy and visions of a new tomorrow. The East guys will wonder why they got ganged upon and we poor AAer's....well, we'll deserve it!

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Originally Posted by Tomahawk58 (Post 1182980)

Dude, bankers are knocking down Parker's door to get into this deal, the whole industry (except for swa) , analysts etc. want this merger to happen, you need to look at why that is.