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KillingMeSmalls 05-06-2012 06:33 PM


Originally Posted by Tomahawk58 (Post 1182989)
The even sadder development is just how much the APA is being played by Mr Parker all the while thinking they're "in control".

You wake in the morning and realize you threw in you lot with a guy dealing in fool's gold.

The west folks see the dance of the sugar plum fairy and visions of a new tomorrow. The East guys will wonder why they got ganged upon and we poor AAer's....well, we'll deserve it!

If this merger does happen, and when all your conspiracy theories don't come true, will you give a public apology on APC?

There are guys like you during every merger and guess what happens?? Two airline merge! Shocking!

Economies of scale makes the new airline more efficient and the union can demand higher salaries. It almost sounds like you're not a pilot...

hickspilot 05-06-2012 06:34 PM


Originally Posted by cactiboss (Post 1183065)
Dude, bankers are knocking down Parker's door to get into this deal, the whole industry (except for swa) , analysts etc. want this merger to happen, you need to look at why that is.

Why except for SWA?

cactiboss 05-06-2012 06:48 PM


Originally Posted by hickspilot (Post 1183069)
Why except for SWA?

The last thing swa needs is a lean mean AA, you can reference their ceo's opinion at their earnings call where he said it would be harder for swa to compete with a merged AA

cactiboss 05-06-2012 07:29 PM

The U. S. airline industry seems well on its way to becoming an oligopoly, after years of consolidation, Barron's says. Industry analysts say the consolidation that has occurred in recent years has led to more pricing power in what is essentially a commodity product. Under this scenario, American Airlines (AAMRQ.PK), a relatively disruptive force leading up to its bankruptcy filing in late November, could eventually be swallowed up by US Air, Barron's reports, leaving a big three with enhanced market power. This should benefit Delta (DAL), US Airways Group (LCC) and, most of all, United Continental Holdings (UAL).

hickspilot 05-06-2012 07:35 PM


Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 1182557)
Aside from the rambling psychotic delivery, he makes some valid points. This airline has nowhere to go but up and the present philosophy of doubling down on the practices of the past will be the worst possible risk for creditors and investors............well, with a few exceptions. :cool:

aside from all the profanity what specifically is he mad about? i watched the video but i fail to see what he is losing besides a pension. how big of a hit is this?

Stratosphere 05-06-2012 08:12 PM


Originally Posted by hickspilot (Post 1183110)
aside from all the profanity what specifically is he mad about? i watched the video but i fail to see what he is losing besides a pension. how big of a hit is this?

Well as much as I agree with what he said I believe once he started dropping the F bombs his credibility was lost. He is mostly speaking from his nut stomping that they all took in concessions in 2003 I believe. Now they they (AA) want to take more. I know all too well his anger..When I was working for NWA we OWNED all our a/c. Well corporate raiders Al Checchi and gang came in and through an LBO bought NW for about 80 mil took all our a.c sold them and leased them back then charged NW to lease them and a consulting fee from a newly created company. Then in our case in 1993 pleaded poverty and wanted huge concessions from all the unions. Then when we gave in after the iam kept bringing back the vote til it passed. Then the next day gave themselves HUGE bonuses for making us swallow that ****** sandwich.

hickspilot 05-06-2012 08:16 PM


Originally Posted by Stratosphere (Post 1183149)
Well as much as I agree with what he said I believe once he started dropping the F bombs his credibility was lost. He is mostly speaking from his nut stomping that they all took in concessions in 2003 I believe. Now they they (AA) want to take more. I know all too well his anger..When I was working for NWA we OWNED all our a/c. Well corporate raiders Al Checchi and gang came in and through an LBO bought NW for about 80 mil took all our a.c sold them and leased them back then charged NW to lease them and a consulting fee from a newly created company. Then in our case in 1993 pleaded poverty and wanted huge concessions from all the unions. Then when we gave in after the iam kept bringing back the vote til it passed. Then the next day gave themselves HUGE bonuses for making us swallow that ****** sandwich.

a&p's have no choice but to take it? do they screw themselves by striking and being offered a "median" only for managements modo to be were aren't happy until you aren't happy to begin with?

Tomahawk58 05-07-2012 02:31 AM


Originally Posted by KillingMeSmalls (Post 1183067)
If this merger does happen, and when all your conspiracy theories don't come true, will you give a public apology on APC?

There are guys like you during every merger and guess what happens?? Two airline merge! Shocking!

Economies of scale makes the new airline more efficient and the union can demand higher salaries. It almost sounds like you're not a pilot...

I absolutely will offer up a public apology here on APC if this deal goes through during the BK process or even if it occurs after the BK process is complete.

If I understand what you're implying by "economies of scale" Mr Parker's own team is undeserving of any raises till the point of a completed merger. I guess that's the reason he didn't approach them in the middle of the night for a week.

All will be well in the Central, East and West once Mr Parker has His way. Hmmm.....I'm still not buying it.

Flyby1206 05-07-2012 05:40 AM


Originally Posted by cactiboss (Post 1183065)
Dude, bankers are knocking down Parker's door to get into this deal, the whole industry (except for swa) , analysts etc. want this merger to happen, you need to look at why that is.

DAL and UAL want this AA/US merger to happen more than AA wants it, and Wall Street is on the same page because yes it will help DAL/UAL more than it helps AA. AA/US combo would be nothing more than a convienient(but costly) way of chopping US down to nothing.

Enterprise 05-07-2012 05:51 AM


Originally Posted by Tomahawk58 (Post 1183249)
Hmmm.....I'm still not buying it.

Why don't you go write a follow up article for Manno's masterpiece. You can tell the world how smart you guys are and how stupid everyone else is. Amazing how everyone else can have it so wrong and not see how sticking with this failed management team and getting raped by their term sheets are "in our best interest".


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