Not much of a choice here: We will get fornicated up the tailpipe either way but Parker brings more lube to the table with furlough protection, pay increases, better scope and hopefully long term bliss.

As for APA selling out for 30 shekels, BS. APA has done a good job for the members the last 90 days, and with 7K signatures so far, the members are behind APA every step of the way.

Anybody going with Horton and his 1113 has sh!t for brains..:rolleyes:

Possible. But those creditors will have to plan on AA coming out of BK with the pilots at least (and likely the F/A's and FSC's/mechanics) with no labor contracts and operating under a chaotic term sheet environment. VERY unstable business plan for a creditor, if you ask me.

How long has the current managment sold out ALL the employees (and creditors and shareholders) ?

Well............here we are AGAIN, Tom. I will make my 4TH REQUEST that you explain how and why AMR's business plan for the future is superior to what U might offer. Specifically, what "fake promises" are you referring to and why those fake promises are inferior to can kicking and limping along ?

Who's been selling YOU this fake promise, Tom ?

No one is trying to "cow" you Tom, only highlighting what the OVERWHELMING majority of AA pilots believe. The "No Confidence" petition proves that. The only prediction I'll make here is that if one day the pilots of this airline ever have the right to strike, you'll be the first to cross the picket line. In spirit, you already have.

Seems many outside sources don't think it's such a fantasy. In fact, I hear things might be taking place to further it along the street of reality. :eek:

Only focusing on pay rates again. Tsk, Tsk............

Parker would then only place himself (and the new corporation) in the same weak position that AA is currently in. Don't fall for irrational fear tactics by those with another agenda.

APA isn't running any merger, only assisting its occurance and doing so at a time that would be more advantageous to pilots as opposed to current management. The merger will occur anyway, but if under the control of the same management that is doing what it's currently doing, after the disasterous 1113 ramifications, it will then be "groundhog day" and the merger then will offer no job protections and we can add mass furloughs to the list...............and to boot, those who survive will have even worse compensation. Nope, the U merger isn't the best plan for me, but if I have to put my trust and hope in either Parker or Horton, I'll take my chances with Parker and at least SOME chance of avoiding being fed to the wolves (repeatedly).

7000 AA pilots apparently feel the same way.

I see your clouding the issue with facts again, cacti. ;)

I guess that just shows how bad things really are. If the overwhelming majority of the pilots (and in fact ALL unionized labor) are willing to take this chance, the alternative must be truly monsterous. If it is really that bad, is that something the creditors REALLY want to roll the dice with going forward and pass a point that they can't get a "do over" ?

Yes, after a short period of time he could barely hold a thought long enough to complete a sentence, so it's tough to tell. Seems to me he's just someone who believes he's simply been pushed too far and "lost it". It does go to show how much stress the employees of this airline are under. The recent F/A breakdown was likely another example, at least in part due to the present situation. One has to ask just how far the psychological envelope is being pushed here and if there will be more meltdowns. Additionally, one really has to wonder that if the economic desires that are being demanded be realized, just what foundation remains in the future to re-build what AA has lost (actually given away) ?

Clearly though, the airline has an obligation to have this person evaluated for anger management, alcohol/drug issues and overall state of psychological well-being. Considering his position involves safety and human lives, it would be irresponsible for a company to be aware of this video and not take appropriate action. Godspeed to him.

It's interesting he clings so tightly to it, yet 3 times I've asked him to explain its benefits to us vs. what U might offer and 3 times the crickets chirped loudly. If the answer is that there is no firm information to compare yet, then one would think the only real data you have to evaluate Horton's future plan vs. Parker's is on past performance. Putting the last decade of that back-to-back clearly puts Parker in the "least risk" catagory, if you ask me.

Soon, Parker is likely to reveal his specific plan, but AMR's seems to remain mostly "confidential". What IS known so far hasn't impressed anyone except a specific few, Tomahawk apparently being one.

They want it because it will help the remaining "big 3" have the pricing power to make money consistently. Horton's plans to substantially cut amr employees pay/benefit will make it harder for ual/dal to compete and as a result stagnate wages/profits. 3 mega carriers will bring stability not seen since before deregulation.