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Tomahawk58 05-07-2012 10:28 AM

Just so we're clear, neither entity (AA or US) has presented a POR to the court. AA has an exclusivity period running through 9/28 absence an extension and Mr Parker has only produced promises written in the clouds to date. I'm sure he will present an alternate POR that will be considered alongside AA's plan.

At that point and only then will we all have something to compare. Everything to this point has been conjecture, my positions included.

What I want to see, and haven't to date is a POR that postions AA for long-term viability and profitability exiting the restructuring process.

You're now free to return to name-calling.

Cheers :)

eaglefly 05-07-2012 10:52 AM


Originally Posted by Tomahawk58 (Post 1183486)
Just so we're clear, neither entity (AA or US) has presented a POR to the court. AA has an exclusivity period running through 9/28 absence an extension and Mr Parker has only produced promises written in the clouds to date. I'm sure he will present an alternate POR that will be considered alongside AA's plan.

At that point and only then will we all have something to compare. Everything to this point has been conjecture, my positions included.

Agreed with the above. However, we also must recognize that exclusivity period (currently a conditional extension) can be petitioned to be terminated by a majority of the creditors (5 of 9). That means 2 creditors aside from the unions, so the 9/28 date isn't without jeopardy.


Originally Posted by Tomahawk58 (Post 1183486)
What I want to see, and haven't to date is a POR that postions AA for long-term viability and profitability exiting the restructuring process.

I haven't seen that either. So far, AMR has not produced one and so it would appear they have no upper hand. All we have to go on is past and present statements and actions.The most recent statement to the press described Eagle taking over a large percentage of AA's remaining domestic flying at ORD with larger RJ's. Adding the fact Frank Lorenzo's former attorney has been retained, I think I can see where we're headed though.


Originally Posted by Tomahawk58 (Post 1183486)
You're now free to return to name-calling.

Is that all the rest of "us" are doing ?

You make it sound like everyone else's opinions here are simply the ramblings of misguided children, while you (condescendingly) are the paternalistic voice of reason. :rolleyes:

Tomahawk58 05-07-2012 10:58 AM


Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 1183501)
Agreed with the above. However, we also must recognize that exclusivity period (currently a conditional extension) can be petitioned to be terminated by a majority of the creditors (5 of 9). That means 2 creditors aside from the unions, so the 9/28 date isn't without jeopardy.



I haven't seen that either. So far, AMR has not produced one and so it would appear they have no upper hand. All we have to go on is past and present statements and actions.The most recent statement to the press described Eagle taking over a large percentage of AA's remaining domestic flying at ORD with larger RJ's. Adding the fact Frank Lorenzo's former attorney has been retained, I think I can see where we're headed though.



Is that all the rest of "us" are doing ?

You make it sound like everyone else's opinions here are simply the ramblings of misguided children, while you (condescendingly) are the paternalistic voice of reason. :rolleyes:

I've said nothing of the sort. With all your positives at times, you seem determined to throw in a jab in all your posts.

So be it!

Tomahawk58 05-07-2012 11:13 AM

My apologies to all for pulling this thread off message. I do think an employee expressing this kind of anger is a danger to himself and his fellow employees. There's no place for this in the environment we work in. Could any of us imagine a flight with a similar personality at either set of controls.

eaglefly 05-07-2012 11:25 AM


Originally Posted by Tomahawk58 (Post 1183504)
I've said nothing of the sort. With all your positives at times, you seem determined to throw in a jab in all your posts.

So be it!

ALL my posts ?

A bit of an overstatment, don't you think ?

As someone who throws plenty of "jabs" himself, a bit on the hypocritical side as well.

eaglefly 05-07-2012 11:30 AM


Originally Posted by Tomahawk58 (Post 1183519)
My apologies to all for pulling this thread off message. I do think an employee expressing this kind of anger is a danger to himself and his fellow employees.

I think there's plenty of people with this type of anger, just not making videos and yes, that's scary. The question then is, how does a company get that dysfunctional ?

I didn't happen overnight.


Originally Posted by Tomahawk58 (Post 1183519)
There's no place for this in the environment we work in. Could any of us imagine a flight with a similar personality at either set of controls.

Ahh yes, a ruthless lack of compassion we've seen elsewhere. It must be all his fault, eh ? :cool:

Tomahawk58 05-07-2012 11:34 AM


Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 1183529)
I think there's plenty of people with this type of anger, just not making videos and yes, that's scary. The question then is, how does a company get that dysfunctional ?

I didn't happen overnight.



Ahh yes, a ruthless lack of compassion we've seen elsewhere. It must be all his fault, eh ? :cool:

You win! Things will be much better at US if their forum here is any indication. can't wait.

eaglefly 05-07-2012 11:39 AM


Originally Posted by Tomahawk58 (Post 1183532)
You win! Things will be much better at US if their forum here is any indication. can't wait.

See.........now was that so hard ? :D

Tomahawk58 05-07-2012 11:46 AM


Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 1183535)
See.........now was that so hard ? :D

Laughter is good medicine for the soul.

Cheers :)

SnoJet440 05-07-2012 10:30 PM

Not the most articulate message, but still well recieved. No one can argue with his passion. Bankruptcy hurts, when management assumes such an arrogant hand, we all feel a little abused.


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