Wow--so all they have to do is say "we're increasing revenue by a billion."

That was easy.

 

Yeap your right. Your avatar is the best to display for these sentiments. Being that ALPA caused the mess.

 

You mean the pilots represented by Alpa caused this mess. Big difference. They decided. They turned them down.

 

Full disclosure up front, I'm a B6 guy. Let's just say hypothetically AMR can't afford to buy JetBlue and they want to increase revenue by feeding their international market in JFK. They can't increase their domestic traffic at JFK because it is slot restricted. They can't add the Delta swarm of RJs at JFK because again they have no more slots, what's the problem with a B6 Codeshare at JFK alone to add high dollar revenue for AMR. Couldn't you put some scope restrictions on JFK with regard to a B6 partnership and increase your international feed...just saying, aren't you restricting profits when you can't organically grow your AMR traffic due to slot restrictions, but you could add revenue with a well defined Codeshare.

 

AMR basically wants unrestricted codesharing which means the end of the majority of AA pilots careers.

 

AA doesn't make any real revenue on a Codeshare flight. Revenue isn't shared like in the BA/AA joint venture agreement.

If B6 did all the domestic connections for JFK then that would free up a bunch of AA slots that they could use for international expansion, but overall I agree with eaglefly and it could be a bad situation for AA/AE domestic ops in JFK

 

This is the problem I have with ALPA at B6. Think for a moment outside of the Legacy CBA mentality and put yourself in managements shoes. Just think of this as an intellectual exercise. Sometimes we don't see the forest through the trees because we don't trust management and we are worried about job protection, when the reality is you could be increasing jobs through more international traffic. Just bear with me and think about this scenario.

You can't increase domestic traffic because you are slot restricted at JFK. But your most valued revenue comes from your International JFK traffic. You want to add seat capacity at JFK with new 787s. But you need to fill the seats, so you Codeshare with JetBlue, not for domestic Codeshare profits, but to fill your International seat, adding much needed revenue.

Just don't allow the unrestricted Codeshare. Restrict it in negotiations to only Slot restricted airports where AMR can not add it's own domestic capacity. Everybody wins....maybe?

 

I agree 100%. In slot restricted airports like JFK it actually hurts AA to use a valuable slot for RJ service to an east coast city just so they can connect the dots for international pax. I could see AA still flying routes like LAX-JFK and MIA-JFK using widebodies, but stuff like JFK-BOS/DCA/ORD/RDU could be better served by B6 E190s. You would still have to figure out the issue with transferring pax between terminals quickly, but that can be accomplished.

Something like this would definitely require heavy duty contractual language, but it can be done through a CBA

 

Why stop at a billion? Wouldn't a press release, "AMR wants to increase revenue by two Billion" be a better bigger positive headline for management? How about, "AMR wants to increase revenue by 1 billion and give a pony to every passenger and employee." Now that would be a good press release.

"AMR wants to increase revenue by 1 billion, switch all energy use to clean alternative power, end world hunger, create world peace and get every man woman and child a pony." That is what I would "want" to do as CEO of AMR, vote for me.

 

Oh wait, haven't you just described Mr Parker's position. He states publicly that he sees another 1.5-2.0 Billion in cost-savings and revenue increase all the while guaranteeing no furloughs, DAL-Plus payrates, putting a pony in every stable, etc.

Not many here taking him to task for his statement other than myself and a couple of other folks.....Hmmmmm!