US Airways Exec: AMR Merger/Pilot Seniority
05-23-2012, 10:23 AM
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Ummm, dude............isn't this what I've been saying ?
Not sure what you're referring to here.
My understanding is that the internal U list will be one list prior to any SLI process with AA and then THAT merger SLI will be binding on ONE group......that being AA pilots represented by the APA, that group comprising of former US Airways pilots in the seniority order of that one U list submitted prior to the merger SLI process.
I think that 12/21 drop dead date (for us all) has already been debunked.
Not sure what you're referring to here.
My understanding is that the internal U list will be one list prior to any SLI process with AA and then THAT merger SLI will be binding on ONE group......that being AA pilots represented by the APA, that group comprising of former US Airways pilots in the seniority order of that one U list submitted prior to the merger SLI process.
I think that 12/21 drop dead date (for us all) has already been debunked.
Carry on...Nothing else to discuss here.....
05-23-2012, 10:29 AM
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05-23-2012, 11:18 AM
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You know what they say when you've dug yourself into a hole, right ?
05-23-2012, 06:10 PM
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Well said.
05-24-2012, 09:30 AM
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1. The East/AA DOH list exists. I have a copy. I find it comical in the extreme ... it doesn't show ANY West pilots, in any order. I retain it only as a reference to the general seniority profile of the AA group. (As a US pilot, I can see the East and West lists, as well as the Nicolau and USAPA lists, anytime I wish via official sources.) I wouldn't ascribe too much ill intent to its existence, though ... I've seen would-be DOH lists floating around the internet for every merger since AA/TWA.
2. Anyone who has been on here for very long should be painfully aware that Blew (E) and cactiboss (W) are the two biggest US Airways agents provocateur on this site. They both manage to state their cases in such a way as to alienate as many people as possible! There are several other representatives of both our East and West groups who can state their positions far more diplomatically.
3. It's pretty darn clear to me that a mutual agreement will not be forthcoming, and binding (by Federal Law) arbitration per McCaskill-Bond will determine our ultimate seniority. The only question seems to be what will be presented to the arbitration panel for US ... the Nicolau list, or the separate East, West, and third-lister lists. Nobody seems to want to say so out loud, but I think everyone (company, West, USAPA, etc.) is waiting for Judge Silver to answer that question, then whichever side loses out can blame the "big, bad Federal Judge" for their screw job. [For the record, I firmly believe that the Nicolau will be the list when Judge Silver is done, based upon my own - extensive - research and reading.]
Beyond that, bickering about most of this is a giant waste of time!
2. Anyone who has been on here for very long should be painfully aware that Blew (E) and cactiboss (W) are the two biggest US Airways agents provocateur on this site. They both manage to state their cases in such a way as to alienate as many people as possible! There are several other representatives of both our East and West groups who can state their positions far more diplomatically.
3. It's pretty darn clear to me that a mutual agreement will not be forthcoming, and binding (by Federal Law) arbitration per McCaskill-Bond will determine our ultimate seniority. The only question seems to be what will be presented to the arbitration panel for US ... the Nicolau list, or the separate East, West, and third-lister lists. Nobody seems to want to say so out loud, but I think everyone (company, West, USAPA, etc.) is waiting for Judge Silver to answer that question, then whichever side loses out can blame the "big, bad Federal Judge" for their screw job. [For the record, I firmly believe that the Nicolau will be the list when Judge Silver is done, based upon my own - extensive - research and reading.]
Beyond that, bickering about most of this is a giant waste of time!
05-24-2012, 11:54 AM
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1. The East/AA DOH list exists. I have a copy. I find it comical in the extreme ... it doesn't show ANY West pilots, in any order. I retain it only as a reference to the general seniority profile of the AA group. (As a US pilot, I can see the East and West lists, as well as the Nicolau and USAPA lists, anytime I wish via official sources.) I wouldn't ascribe too much ill intent to its existence, though ... I've seen would-be DOH lists floating around the internet for every merger since AA/TWA.
2. Anyone who has been on here for very long should be painfully aware that Blew (E) and cactiboss (W) are the two biggest US Airways agents provocateur on this site. They both manage to state their cases in such a way as to alienate as many people as possible! There are several other representatives of both our East and West groups who can state their positions far more diplomatically.
3. It's pretty darn clear to me that a mutual agreement will not be forthcoming, and binding (by Federal Law) arbitration per McCaskill-Bond will determine our ultimate seniority. The only question seems to be what will be presented to the arbitration panel for US ... the Nicolau list, or the separate East, West, and third-lister lists. Nobody seems to want to say so out loud, but I think everyone (company, West, USAPA, etc.) is waiting for Judge Silver to answer that question, then whichever side loses out can blame the "big, bad Federal Judge" for their screw job. [For the record, I firmly believe that the Nicolau will be the list when Judge Silver is done, based upon my own - extensive - research and reading.]
Beyond that, bickering about most of this is a giant waste of time!
2. Anyone who has been on here for very long should be painfully aware that Blew (E) and cactiboss (W) are the two biggest US Airways agents provocateur on this site. They both manage to state their cases in such a way as to alienate as many people as possible! There are several other representatives of both our East and West groups who can state their positions far more diplomatically.
3. It's pretty darn clear to me that a mutual agreement will not be forthcoming, and binding (by Federal Law) arbitration per McCaskill-Bond will determine our ultimate seniority. The only question seems to be what will be presented to the arbitration panel for US ... the Nicolau list, or the separate East, West, and third-lister lists. Nobody seems to want to say so out loud, but I think everyone (company, West, USAPA, etc.) is waiting for Judge Silver to answer that question, then whichever side loses out can blame the "big, bad Federal Judge" for their screw job. [For the record, I firmly believe that the Nicolau will be the list when Judge Silver is done, based upon my own - extensive - research and reading.]
Beyond that, bickering about most of this is a giant waste of time!
05-24-2012, 12:47 PM
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3. It's pretty darn clear to me that a mutual agreement will not be forthcoming, and binding (by Federal Law) arbitration per McCaskill-Bond will determine our ultimate seniority. The only question seems to be what will be presented to the arbitration panel for US ... the Nicolau list, or the separate East, West, and third-lister lists. Nobody seems to want to say so out loud, but I think everyone (company, West, USAPA, etc.) is waiting for Judge Silver to answer that question, then whichever side loses out can blame the "big, bad Federal Judge" for their screw job. [For the record, I firmly believe that the Nicolau will be the list when Judge Silver is done, based upon my own - extensive - research and reading.]
I too think it will likely be the Nicolau list that ultimately represents U pilots when any AA/U SLI occurs.
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