MayDaze

East/West hijacked another thread... I haven't seen a "list" of 15,000 names. I'm pretty sure that would be a book anyways.

There are times I think, "those west guys aren't too bad," but then they pull stuff like this.

eaglefly

Relax and really read my posts. One cannot ignore what the east has chosen to do. That being said, I have little emotion about that as I'm confident it will play no part in any AA merge in the future and I'm concerned about what's in the front windshield and not in the rear-view mirror or standing on the sidewalk. SOME of our pilots HAVE reported less then cordial interaction with a FEW U pilots (both east and west) as I've stated, but again, I assume it's the extreme minority and a result of individual beliefs and agendas. I think the merger is highly probable barring some unforcast development, the only wildcards are timing and thus control of the process. It seems both carriers need it, although U more then AA. Having read everything I have so far on the seniority conundrum there, it seems to me either your situation will continue as is or the Nic award will be implemented. Either way, your carrier will only be weakened further go forward with either outcome as it seems there's no real way to place an east pilot in the same cockpit with a west one considering the animosity, thus irrepairably hamstringing flexibilty and synergy. As such, fences may indeed be part of any future SLI.

I'm sure more 'he said/she said' stuff will be forthcoming from both of the U pilot sides and while entertaining, most shouldn't read to much into it from the AA merge standpoint. Personally, I've elected to be more of an observer then a commentator on the U SLI debacle since the U merge potential transitioned to a very strong liklihood.

Wingtips

I saw in the APA brief that the union is testifying in court that the 1113 would result in 1400 extra pilots at AA, not 300 like they said. I would be very worried if I were the bottom 1500 at AA.

eaglefly

I see you're ratcheting up your flamebait from your previous posts that the bottom 1000 should be "very, very scared". I suppose the extra 100 pilots above the testimony is simply a little cherry for yourself in the giggity department, eh sister ?

I understand they were forced to admit their projections were innaccurate based on old calculations. It seems their statements change more often then the weather. What was said from what I understand was that that projection of 1420 pilots overmanned didn't necessarily mean that many would be "discharged". Under that statement, by the end of 2013 there will be at least 300 retirements and possibly twice that and that along with the new FT/DT changes would result in about 400 pilots too many, hence that furlough projection.

Two new fleet types coming (A319,787) and a training bubble is also needed. Actually too many variables to make ANY furlough projections yet (especially that far out), but they had to cut summer flying down due to low staffing not being able to accomodate unplanned absences and maximum usage of vacation blocks being that it's summer. It's one of the MAJOR reasons Parker's plan is far more attractive then AMR's, i.e., no furloughs. Actually, the 1113 ruling date has been pushed back to June 22 from June 6 and judge Lane has requested mediated negotiations by another judge to hammer out an agreement. I think ALL parties agree that a negotiated settlement is better then an imposed 1113 and the various undesirable consequences that could possibly result of that. You can rest assured that the #1 priority will be SCOPE and the size and number of SNB (Small Narrow-Body) jets (AKA large RJ's) that will be allowed for AA feeders/code-sharing. At the very least, limiting size to no more then 76-seats (with limits on number). Allowing AMR (or U) the flexibilty to place what is allowed at any carrier of course, is up to them.

Hundreds of 64-seat CRJ-700 types and many 76-seaters (CRJ-900/E-175's) may be coming to AMR/U, but Eagle might only see half those (and thus shrink accordingly). If Parker runs the merge, most of Eagle might not even make the program card with AA and that would be even worse for certain ruby-throated flamebaiters chirping away on this forum. Thus, if I was a relatively junior Eagle F/O, I'd be very worried about the future myself.

LittleBoyBlew

Most of those RJs are already on the property at US. Operated by AW, Republic, and Mesa. The Scope change at APA would allow these AC to be operated within the new entity.

eaglefly

The current combined AA and U would include 10 regionals with about 600 aircraft and 6000 pilots. Personally, I don't think the combined carrier will need that many RJ's going forward. Therefore, one should anticipate consolidation, elimination and streamlining of feeders. Since the future combined AA/U is unlikely to hire for awhile while everything shakes out, a surplus of regional pilots is even more likely then mainline.

Which carriers (and pilots) survive is the question there. Already entrenched with larger RJ's would seem to improve odds. Large numbers of smaller RJ's or strictly old turboprops would seem to reduce them.

I think that Eagle's 47 CRJ's will remain, but the EMB's will be replaced in part. Those replacements won't all return to Eagle though, so at least SOME of that future streamlining will come at Eagle's expense.

buddies8

oh, no. dont say that.

eaglefly

It's only my opinion. I wouldn't run screaming into the night over it. It could easily turn out differently. It seems AMR has a better idea of what they want to do with Eagle, Parker likely hasn't committed to AE and thus for Eagle pilots, they'll almost certainly make out better without a U merge.

Sliceback

The Nic award is available on the internet. AA pilots have access to it. Having access to it doesn't mean anything, just like it doesn't mean anything if a US or AW guy has an AA seniority list.

Sniper

Eliminate the largest (NYC) and second largest (LAX) travel markets in the US, and the two largest international gateways to the US?