AMR asks APA to negotiate
09-26-2012, 02:54 AM
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Just remember not to get caught out with any illegal job action. No doubt AA management will sue the union and individual members like others have done.
I still say a mass resignation is the way to go. Takes a lot of guts but it is not illegal. With no pilots they cannot run the airline. They weren't too happy when they had higher than expected retirements last year.
I know it will never happen but it would be amazing if any group ever had the balls to do it. It would be historic for any labor group.
I still say a mass resignation is the way to go. Takes a lot of guts but it is not illegal. With no pilots they cannot run the airline. They weren't too happy when they had higher than expected retirements last year.
I know it will never happen but it would be amazing if any group ever had the balls to do it. It would be historic for any labor group.
09-26-2012, 03:39 AM
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Originally Posted by cactusmike
Remember the words of the former UAL MEC Chair, Rick Dubinski -
"You don't want to kill the golden goose, you just want to choke the Sh&& out of it"
"You don't want to kill the golden goose, you just want to choke the Sh&& out of it"
09-26-2012, 03:42 AM
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Originally Posted by aa73
So the pressure of "running" the airline with a voided Pilot contract has now gotten to them... just as we No voters predicted it would. Should we now "kick the can" and play their game?
UAL/DAL + or it's another resounding No!
UAL/DAL + or it's another resounding No!
09-26-2012, 03:59 AM
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Originally Posted by syd111
Pulling for you and my friends at amr but why does everyone keep mentioning the ual contract, we are operating under one from bankruptcy and you don't want that one. As far as anything new we have nothing!
Regarding the the DAL contract... I submit that when half of the membership likes it and the other half doesn't, it's probably not too bad of a deal. I know that it increased the use of 76 seaters, but it GREATLY decreases 50 sat flying. Along with the addition of the 717s, the mainline flying is increased, overall.
09-26-2012, 04:12 AM
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Originally Posted by aa73
We mean the UAL T/A... all indications point to it being DAL + 1.
Regarding the the DAL contract... I submit that when half of the membership likes it and the other half doesn't, it's probably not too bad of a deal. I know that it increased the use of 76 seaters, but it GREATLY decreases 50 sat flying. Along with the addition of the 717s, the mainline flying is increased, overall.
Regarding the the DAL contract... I submit that when half of the membership likes it and the other half doesn't, it's probably not too bad of a deal. I know that it increased the use of 76 seaters, but it GREATLY decreases 50 sat flying. Along with the addition of the 717s, the mainline flying is increased, overall.
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09-26-2012, 04:51 AM
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Originally Posted by aa73
We mean the UAL T/A... all indications point to it being DAL + 1.
Regarding the the DAL contract... I submit that when half of the membership likes it and the other half doesn't, it's probably not too bad of a deal. I know that it increased the use of 76 seaters, but it GREATLY decreases 50 sat flying. Along with the addition of the 717s, the mainline flying is increased, overall.
Regarding the the DAL contract... I submit that when half of the membership likes it and the other half doesn't, it's probably not too bad of a deal. I know that it increased the use of 76 seaters, but it GREATLY decreases 50 sat flying. Along with the addition of the 717s, the mainline flying is increased, overall.
Best of luck to all of you over there at amr, we are all pulling hard for you.
09-26-2012, 04:55 AM
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Originally Posted by kiteflyer
What ever you do at AMR, DO NOT cave on the 76 seat jet.
09-26-2012, 05:31 AM
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Originally Posted by syd111
Understand aa, however we don't have a ta we have an agreement in pronciple that none of us have seen and has a long was to go before approval. I hope we are higher than dal and you guys take it past us however at the moment we have nothing and many of us don't see it getting done anytime soon.
Best of luck to all of you over there at amr, we are all pulling hard for you.
Best of luck to all of you over there at amr, we are all pulling hard for you.
09-26-2012, 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by syd111
Then he walked away with everything for himself.
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09-27-2012, 04:19 AM
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One thing to keep in mind. If you go back to the table and operations at AMR return to more normal levels of delays and canceled flights and the contract talks break down the company will now have conclusive proof of a pilot slowdown and a injunction is sure to follow if the delays and canceled flights shoot back up.
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