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Old 11-05-2012, 06:38 AM
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"Remaining issues in the pilots’ talks “involve final language for an industry pay-parity adjustment, furlough protection, and parameters for regional feed aircraft,” the union said."

So basically, the meat and potatoes....
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Haha, I thought that too.
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"Remaining issues in the pilots’ talks “involve final language for an industry pay-parity adjustment, furlough protection, and parameters for regional feed aircraft,” the union said."

So basically, the meat and potatoes....
What could possibly go wrong?
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Fellow pilots,

This past weekend, your Negotiating Committee provided a briefing summary to your APA Board of Directors on where things currently sit in negotiations. Portions of that summary are currently in the public domain, so to prevent any misinformation, we are providing a more detailed summary for your review. While this briefing sheet is not comprehensive, it should provide a feel for the progress that has been made to date. As you can see, the main obstacle to reaching our goal of an industry standard contract is scope ― specifically as it pertains to the size and seat capacity of the larger regional jet.

Pay and Duration

–Six-year duration, early openers at four years
–Date-of-signing annual pay raises of 4 percent, 2 percent, 2 percent, mid-contract adjustment, then 2 percent, 2 percent. Group II (A319 and 737-700) merged with Group III at the Group III rates
–Only five groups (E190 Group, 737-800 Group, 757/767 Group, 777/787 Group and 747/A380 Group)
–International override paid only for actual flying (industry standard; same as United and Delta)
–No night pay (industry standard; same as Delta and United)
–Current book per diem rates.
–DOS+3 = $2.00 domestic and $2.20 international(low end of industry standard. Delta rates now $2.25 domestic and $2.75 international)
–Mid-contract adjustment improved to weighted average to minimize impact of US Airways
If United agreement ratified and APA secures a Jan. 2, 2013 date of signing:
–Worst case scenario, January 2016 adjustment would take 737-800 and S80 captain rates to $207/hour (more than 18 percent raise applied to all groups)
–Best case scenario, January 2016 (Delta and United only), 737-800 and S80 captain rates go to $220/hour (approximately 21 percent raise applied to all groups)
–Last management weighted ASM proposal had a provision that limited widebody pay increases to the average of Delta and United for comparable aircraft. This particular part is unacceptable.

Fatigue
–Fatigue calls paid
–Paid events subject to review team with APA input
–Fatigue memorandum of understanding has been agreed to (APA insisted on this language, it is industry leading)

Sick
–Split sick bank starting in January 2014 (60 hours short-term per year, rest in long-term bank)
–Substantiation not required for short-term bank
–Substantiation required to access long-term bank for absences more than 14 calendar days or if short-term bank depleted (Delta requires substantiation for sick events of 15 days or more, over 100 hours in a year, or if chief pilot has reason to suspect pilot is not sick)
–Annual sick sell-back program of half of unused accrual, starting with 2013 accrual (industry leading; Delta and United do not have this)
–Rapid reaccrual limited to time used (same as all other carriers with rapid re-accrual)
–Elimination of 46 hours sick charged if on reserve on long-term sick (no other carrier had this provision)
–Sick bank replenished after an injury on duty (June tentative agreement did not allow this)

Benefits
–Active medical – same as in June tentative agreement, which was essentially a carbon copy of the Continental pilots’ $750 deductible plan
–Disability improved from June tentative agreement
–60% of income up to $8,000 (Delta 50% no limit, United 50% up to $7,500)
–Offsets for SSDI, Workers Compensation and State Disability
– No offsets for earned (W2) income for first 48 months (was 24 months in the June tentative agreement)
–No premiums (United pilots pay premiums)
–Retirees under age 60 pay 100% for retiree medical (industry standard, same as Delta)
–Retirees 60-64 can cash out sick time at retirement into a Health Retirement Account ($25/hour) which can be used for medical premiums up to $25,000
–Delta retirees age 60-64 pay 51% of medical expenses

Pension
–14 percent contribution to 401(k) plan
–Frozen A Plan
–B Plan proceeds rolled to SuperSaver or pilot’s IRA
–Delta terminated pilot A Plan and substituted a 15 percent defined contribution
–United terminated pilot A Plan and substituted a 16 percent defined contribution

Scheduling
–84-hour max average line value with 82-hour rolling average over the year (close approximation to Delta)
–Green Book duty rigs – (close approximation to Delta and most other legacy carriers)
–90-hour average individual monthly max (limits a pilot to a maximum of 1,080 credited hours over the course of 12 months)
–Preferential bidding with requirement to negotiate PBS MOU by July 2013
–Current flight time/duty time limits until new federal aviation regulations applied in January 2014
–All sequences subject to review of Fatigue Risk Management System with APA input
–CPA bank eliminated, all fly-through time paid for the actual time flown in each bid month
–Reassignments past the original sequence footprint pay 150 percent
–Sequence protection notification and obligation windows (patterned after Delta contract)
–Pilot may opt out of sequence protection pay and obligation (management will not unreasonably withhold right to do so)
–Management will develop a trip-trade system that will replace TTOT as we know it

Vacation
–Green Book values and accruals with the elimination of the 42-day accrual step at 30 years of service
–Pilots can float all but one week of vacation
–Pilots can drop trips and charge to vacation bank

Pilot Bases
–STL pilot base will stay as we know it until an arbitration process has been concluded (approximately within 120 days of signing)
–No other pilot bases will be closed until at least fourth-quarter 2013
–Home base concept which can allow some sequences to be built from cities that have large commuter populations

Reserve
–18 days of availability for 73 hours
–Trips assigned on scoring system (Reserve Priority Value, patterned after Delta system)
–Reserve pilots can pick up trips on days off for pay above guarantee at management option
–Elimination of reserve guarantee pay for up to four days of military duty (we were the only carrier with this provision)
–Military pilot may move duty-free periods to cover military duty

Scope (still not settled)
–APA willing to allow 76-seat with 86k weight limit (same as Delta)
–Management wants 79-seat jets, with 86k limit for current aircraft but no weight limit for CRJ700/900, EMB 170.175 or MRJ70/90 (same as June tentative agreement)
–Delta has a hard cap of 450 aircraft
–Management wants ability to codeshare with Alaska and Hawaiian plus 50 percent of domestic ASMs
–Delta contract fairly restrictive on code-sharing
–Current United contract only requires management to notify ALPA of codesharing (details of new United codesharing not yet available)
–Parties still debating furlough protection
–Last management offer has 95 percent of active pilots offered furlough protection (90 percent in case of a merger)

Miscellaneous
–APA can protest management compensation
–13.5 percent equity stake in the new company
–APA reimbursed $5 million for bankruptcy expenses

Unresolved as of Nov. 4, 2012
–All but a few paragraphs are in full contract language
–APA doesn’t agree to the potential cap on widebody pay increases in the mid-contract adjustment
–APA doesn’t agree to the management position on 79-seat jets with no weight limit
–APA doesn’t agree to the management position on furlough protection
–APA doesn't agree to management position on regional feed wraps
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Why a six year deal? This means another 10 year contract unless action is taken to amend or eliminate the RLA. Unfortunately for the pilot profession the issue of the RLA is totally ignored by the associations yet it is THE road block to pilots ever being able to negotiate in a fair and equitable environment. Stupid, stupid, stupid!
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Old 11-06-2012, 03:59 AM
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I'm a Delta guy so from the outside looking in I have the utmost respect for the battle that the American Pilots are fighting! I applaud your efforts not to roll over even after management threw out your contract. I hope you are able to achieve all of your goals.

That said, our contract is amendable in 2016. Just over 3 years away. My humble advice is to stand strong on the scope issue. We let that proverbial cork out of the bottle many years ago and can't seem to get it back in. All we were able to do is limit the airframes to a hard cap and 76 seats. Don't let management have anything over 76 seats. EVER. You'll NEVER get it back!

If you were able to get management to beg you to come back to the table after your recent unofficial "slowdown/fly safe" campaign, (whatever you want to call it), then you have the power to hold the line on this and other things too. They need you more than they need anything else. They can't proceed without the pilots. Stay strong and the beers on me if I see you in the bar!

Maybe you've already seen it but I've attached our TA roadshow link on youtube for your review. Hope it helps.

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www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Y2Sh8uaANI&feature=youtu.be compensation video

www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wx7d93B9GM&feature=youtu.be scope video



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Originally Posted by b73nav8r View Post
I'm a Delta guy so from the outside looking in I have the utmost respect for the battle that the American Pilots are fighting! I applaud your efforts not to roll over even after management threw out your contract. I hope you are able to achieve all of your goals.

That said, our contract is amendable in 2016. Just over 3 years away. My humble advice is to stand strong on the scope issue. We let that proverbial cork out of the bottle many years ago and can't seem to get it back in. All we were able to do is limit the airframes to a hard cap and 76 seats. Don't let management have anything over 76 seats. EVER. You'll NEVER get it back!

If you were able to get management to beg you to come back to the table after your recent unofficial "slowdown/fly safe" campaign, (whatever you want to call it), then you have the power to hold the line on this and other things too. They need you more than they need anything else. They can't proceed without the pilots. Stay strong and the beers on me if I see you in the bar!

Maybe you've already seen it but I've attached our TA roadshow link on youtube for your review. Hope it helps.

Frats
Tom

www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Y2Sh8uaANI&feature=youtu.be compensation video

www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wx7d93B9GM&feature=youtu.be scope video



Agreed that scope and especially the codesharing abilities of AMR are most critical and seem to be the least addressed. AMR wants to outsource as much of AA as possible and seeks multiple ways to do that. First with large RJ's as "regional feed" (now a ridiculous claim) and second by using other carriers as One World codeshares. Hawaiian I can understand, but Alaska flying should be done by AA expansion. The worst offender by far is the "open" codeshare that can be 50% of our ASM's by ANYONE.

Many of us have "ideas" of who that will ultimately be, but for me that's a NO vote right there plain and simple even if I was still open-minded. As it stands now, from many I talk to, we're headed for another TA rejection based on many of the issues and this is #1 with the pay rates a close second. If the BOD hands the pilots another dud, it will have severe consequences for those on the BOD that agree to accept that IMO. I think this whole thing is going to get a lot messier before it gets cleaner.

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Some encouraging words here, and AA guys appreciate the notes of support that so many pilots have posted here, on other forums, and face-to-face.

I am embarrassed to say I don't know how 401K matching works. For 20 years now, I've had the A and B funds, and I've been maxing out my own personal 401K.

If a company contributes to a 401K, and such contributions take it over the pre-tax maximum, is the remainder taxed, but then accrues tax-free within the 401K? In other words, let's say I'm already contributing $22,500 (I'm over 50) in 2012, where would a company 14% come in? 14% of a $100,000 FO pay is $14K. Does this mean I have to reduce my own personal contribution so that the TOTAL remains below $22.5K?

Scope - I agree that once given away, it''s gone forever. I am afraid that the very senior (as in elderly) bulk of the APA is going to think "I'm all set seniority wise... this will screw new hires and junior captains, but not me, so I don't really care that much."
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"I'm all set seniority wise... this will screw new hires and junior captains, but not me, so I don't really care that much."
Typical airline pilot thinking. sell out the young for the old then blame the young for being young and then hating the young RJ guys whos jobs they helped create
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