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cactiboss 02-20-2013 11:51 AM


Originally Posted by R57 relay (Post 1356569)
Interesting. We'll see how it works out. I think you guys are way off base on a bunch of those items, but I'll just keep those to myself.

We might be, but it doesn't matter does it? Usapa won't be around long enough to see the end regardless of we win or not.

R57 relay 02-20-2013 11:55 AM


Originally Posted by cactiboss (Post 1356577)
Usapa and apa are suppose to negotiate a sli prior to arbitration according to mou, we have informed the apa of our legal issues. If apa negotiates with usapa and something besides the Nic. Is used, well the apa has been warned and can't claim ignorance.

I don't think a farmer in Chile could claim ignorance over this issue, but why is it their responsibility? Can we go in and say the seniority list they present is not in the proper order and force it to be redone?

R57 relay 02-20-2013 11:56 AM


Originally Posted by cactiboss (Post 1356578)
We might be, but it doesn't matter does it? Usapa won't be around long enough to see the end regardless of we win or not.

They might be. I doubt as the CBA of the new American pilots though.

cactiboss 02-20-2013 12:10 PM


Originally Posted by R57 relay (Post 1356581)
They might be. I doubt as the CBA of the new American pilots though.

And that is all that matters. Keep the Nic. In our contracts until apa takes over and dfr is the apa's. letter make sense yet?

R57 relay 02-20-2013 12:14 PM


Originally Posted by cactiboss (Post 1356590)
And that is all that matters. Keep the Nic. In our contracts until apa takes over and dfr is the apa's. letter make sense yet?

No, but that's okay, I'm not paying the bill.

So delay the timeline enough that APA is the CBA when the entire SLI process is begun? That's it? Again, we'll see, mybe you got the winning formula this time. Delay, Delay, Delay. I thought that was what you guys accuse USAPA of doing.

The SLI process doesn't begin until the effective date. At the effective date, the MTA replaces those contracts that have the Nicolau in it, with specific language that says the seniority lists in effect, not the Nic, are still used.

cactiboss 02-20-2013 12:27 PM


Originally Posted by R57 relay (Post 1356593)
At the effective date, the MTA replaces those contracts that have the Nicolau in it, with specific language that says the seniority lists in effect, not the Nic, are still used.

Is that language legal? That language is what our attorneys reference as proof of collusion to unsrp the wests rights. When did the west give up a claim to the Nic?

R57 relay 02-20-2013 12:38 PM


Originally Posted by cactiboss (Post 1356599)
Is that language legal? That language is what our attorneys reference as proof of collusion to unsrp the wests rights. When did the west give up a claim to the Nic?

Again, wouldn't that have been a question to answer before recommending to your clients to vote for it? Did they only learn of this after the vote less than two weeks ago? Remember, you guys voted for it and as a block would have had a really good chance of defeating it.

I thought you guys had an aversion to changing things after the fact. You say we agreed to the Nicolau process, and we did by union consent. You guys agreed to this with your vote. Going back afterwards screaming collusion would be a stretch.

cactiboss 02-20-2013 12:50 PM


Originally Posted by R57 relay (Post 1356606)
Again, wouldn't that have been a question to answer before recommending to your clients to vote for it? Did they only learn of this after the vote less than two weeks ago? Remember, you guys voted for it and as a block would have had a really good chance of defeating it.

yeah that's it, we are completely surprised by the language. Oh wait, leonidas principals wrote it with input from leonidas attorneys

I thought you guys had an aversion to changing things after the fact. You say we agreed to the Nicolau process, and we did by union consent. You guys agreed to this with your vote. Going back afterwards screaming collusion would be a stretch.
we agreed to go to a new contract, no where in the mou does it say the Nic. Goes away.

R57 relay 02-20-2013 01:51 PM


Originally Posted by cactiboss (Post 1356614)
yeah that's it, we are completely surprised by the language. Oh wait, leonidas principals wrote it with input from leonidas attorneys
we agreed to go to a new contract, no where in the mou does it say the Nic. Goes away.

AOL helped write it, yet you question if it's language is legal? I'm sorry cacti, you've lost me. Anyway, doesn't matter, nobody from either side will be asking me. Thanks for the update.

cactiboss 02-20-2013 02:23 PM


Originally Posted by R57 relay (Post 1356640)
AOL helped write it, yet you question if it's language is legal?

Exactly, we will see.


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