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Originally Posted by cactusmike (Post 1356850)

Quick answer to that is that we on the West are bound to the Nicolau because it has been held up by a DFR from the East centric union.

We cannot negotiate off the Nicolau because it dilutes our case for a DFR. The fact that the company used an inferior contract on the east to whipsaw the pilot groups does not constitute an advantage for one group over the other. That supposed advantage for the east was the result of an artificial scenario, and would last only until an actual contract with pay raises and new terms better than LOA 93 was put forth. The MOU is that new contract. There is no other path now other than a new JCBA between LCC and (now) AAG.

I really think you guys are wrong about the MOU being a contract. I think you would have 6 months from the time the JCBA called for in the MOU is finished. Just seems premature, again. The merger is not 100% certain.

BTW, have all parties officially agreed to the MOU?

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Originally Posted by R57 relay (Post 1356858)

BTW, have all parties officially agreed to the MOU?

Apa board approved it and east and west had to vote in since its a change to work rules and rates of pay.

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1356841)

. I think you'd come out quicker and look more interested in fairness if you brought all 3 lists to the arbitrator.

Carl

The first time I read the MOU that was the way I thought it was heading.

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Originally Posted by cactiboss (Post 1356859)

Apa board approved it and east and west had to vote in since its a change to work rules and rates of pay.

I know about them, how about the two companies? I thought theirs was done before we voted but seem to recall that they actually hadn't.

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Originally Posted by R57 relay (Post 1356863)

I know about them, how about the two companies? I thought theirs was done before we voted but seem to recall that they actually hadn't.

The companies signed the mou first, followed by apa board then usapa thru a vote

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Originally Posted by cactiboss (Post 1356867)

The companies signed the mou first, followed by apa board then usapa thru a vote

30. This Memorandum is ultimately subject to approval by the Bankruptcy Court in In Re AMR
Corporation, et al., jointly administered Ch. 11 Case No. 11-15463 (SHL) in connection with the
Merger.

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Originally Posted by R57 relay (Post 1356860)

The first time I read the MOU that was the way I thought it was heading.

Did you read the part in the mou that says any language in the mou that is found to be illegal is to be discarded? Btw, where in the mou does it say it will be a 3 way? The Nic. Doesn't rearrange the existing lists does it?

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Originally Posted by R57 relay (Post 1356860)

The first time I read the MOU that was the way I thought it was heading.

I can see where you could believe that, and I also can see where Carl is coming from. ( I am very magnanimous tonight, must be the IPA of unknown origin). Our argument is going to be proven one way or another in the next year or so. The important thing to me is that we will get closure on the AWA/AAA merger. One side will not be able to run away from binding arbitration. Whatever happens, the door that USAPA snuck in on will be closed and we all will be able to get on with our lives as we want to. Which will probably mean I will do what I am doing now, for more money, as you will also.

I was at a meeting with the AOL principles and the lawyers two weeks ago. I,too, am surprised that this letter was sent out now, the feeling I got from the meeting is that we were going to wait a little while to see how the negotiation process would work out prior to the POR date. Evidently things are moving forward quicker than expected and Leonidas wanted to put all parties on notice. That's fall all this is about, notice of potential action. Also note that in the letter from Dr Harper the final emphasis is that the West pilots want this merger, and we want it done as soon as possible.

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Originally Posted by R57 relay (Post 1356869)

30. This Memorandum is ultimately subject to approval by the Bankruptcy Court in In Re AMR
Corporation, et al., jointly administered Ch. 11 Case No. 11-15463 (SHL) in connection with the
Merger.

With the UCC and both boards in favor, I doubt that this is in question.