AA getting E-190s
04-25-2013 | 04:15 AM
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The E-190 smacks a bit of having the Fokker (F-100) on the property. Pilots loved it, management hated it because the yields sucked and the operating costs were high. And the jets were constantly weight-restricted for the flying management wanted to do with them. Although maybe the 190 will be better in this regard.
I think it's going to be hard to get the pay rates up on them, and we'll see an airline subset form... E-190 vs. everybody else. And E-190 CA jobs will go junior relative to many FO jobs.
I think it's going to be hard to get the pay rates up on them, and we'll see an airline subset form... E-190 vs. everybody else. And E-190 CA jobs will go junior relative to many FO jobs.
04-25-2013 | 05:01 AM
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US(east) will be getting 2 more from Republic this year and I believe that is it for firm orders but maybe we still have options on the books.
The 190 is a very capable aircraft although I didn't like flying it. Quirky(things like the APU cannot be left unattended, seats like concrete park benches, many computer resets and that goofy yoke) and uncomfortable in the cockpit. A much more capable aircraft than the F100. 4 hr legs and can pretty much carry whatever you put in the door. Passengers like it and probably the best air conditioning of any plane I've flown.
The 190 is a very capable aircraft although I didn't like flying it. Quirky(things like the APU cannot be left unattended, seats like concrete park benches, many computer resets and that goofy yoke) and uncomfortable in the cockpit. A much more capable aircraft than the F100. 4 hr legs and can pretty much carry whatever you put in the door. Passengers like it and probably the best air conditioning of any plane I've flown.
04-25-2013 | 06:05 AM
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US(east) will be getting 2 more from Republic this year and I believe that is it for firm orders but maybe we still have options on the books.
The 190 is a very capable aircraft although I didn't like flying it. Quirky(things like the APU cannot be left unattended, seats like concrete park benches, many computer resets and that goofy yoke) and uncomfortable in the cockpit. A much more capable aircraft than the F100. 4 hr legs and can pretty much carry whatever you put in the door. Passengers like it and probably the best air conditioning of any plane I've flown.
The 190 is a very capable aircraft although I didn't like flying it. Quirky(things like the APU cannot be left unattended, seats like concrete park benches, many computer resets and that goofy yoke) and uncomfortable in the cockpit. A much more capable aircraft than the F100. 4 hr legs and can pretty much carry whatever you put in the door. Passengers like it and probably the best air conditioning of any plane I've flown.
04-25-2013 | 07:14 AM
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These rates are correct and the 190 will continue to be extremely junior (1 year on property = top 25% on the 190).
04-25-2013 | 08:39 AM
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It is really a genius way to operate a fleet to battle low cost carriers from the company point of view. Only the most junior CA/FOs will bid the E190 which will keep operating cost relatively low for that airframe. But I would prefer to see the payscales a lot higher.
04-26-2013 | 01:55 PM
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Group 1 Capt rates don't really equal Group 2 F/O rates until very close to TOS. When you consider that the junior Group 1 Capt is a 2007 DOH right now, it may make more financial sense to bid Group 1 Capt for reasons other than a significant improvement in QOL.
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