Irishish

There are essentially 4 lists right now.

-AA
-East+3rd list
-West+3rd list

It seem like the East pilots would like the arbitrators to look at this like a 3-way merger and integrate the groups that way. What if some West pilots get slotted higher in the NEW new list than even the Nicolau? Especially with respect to "relative" seniority it would seem with two fairly large groups (AA and US) and one much smaller group (AWA) that this could happen.

Would AWA pilots complain that the Nicolau wasn't used as a starting point? Would East pilots do the same?

cactiboss

This is all a big unknown and why we are in court. The west's position is there is only one combined list on airways side and that list is the Nicolau. MB specifically prohibits its use to us/aa merger and applies only to us/aa

cactusmike

That is correct.

I will disagree with Relay on the JCBA timeline. The MOU becomes the MTA at the POR. (Don't you love all the acronyms?) The MTA, the merger transition agreement, comes in effect at the effective date and puts the Airways pilots, east and west on green book at the POR. There are some exceptions, like scheduling and bidding processes, west short term disability program, but we are on the APA contract at that date. The JCBA stuff is the cleaning up of the open issues in reconciling Airways with the APA. I get this from paragraph 4 of the MOU. I don't think it will take a year to get the JCBA done. I also think that once the Airways list is determined the SLI will be done quickly as well. That 24 months is the upper limit for time, and the SLI is done in parallel with the JCBA stuff.

Pulling a USAPA will be close to impossible. As was said, the SLI process is mandated in the MOU. McCaskille-Bond is federal law, there's no way of ducking out of the decision. Final and binding will be final and binding.

Fire away.

R57 relay

Just to be clear, it's not my timeline, it is from USAPA's guide. They have UP TO 12 months to finish the JCBA and arbitration cannot start until then. They then have UP TO 24 months to finish it.

I don't think anyone is looking for it to go that long, the number I usually hear is 24 months from POR and we're done.

DrivinTheDash

The timeline actually isn't quite so drawn out in the MOU, because the SLI work, up to the actual arbitration, runs concurrently with the JCBA negotiations. The only thing that can't happen until after the JCBA is the actual arbitration proceeding, from the start of which an award is to be rendered within 6 months, and not more than 24 months from the effective date of the POR.

Everything leading up to the SLI arbitration, including SLI negotiations and selecting a panel of arbitrators, will occur while we hammer out a final JCBA agreement.

R57 relay

Ah, you and Mike are correct. I was reading it as 24 months from the start of arbitration, which can't start until JCBA, but it is 24 months from Effective date. My mistake, thanks for the correction.

PinnacleFO

You would think.... That with the mou and delta entering talks in 2015 that the new American has the chance with their jcba to gain an industry leading contract especially being the largest airline in the world

cactiboss

The Mou gives us a parity adjustment in 2016, so if DAL gets a raise we should as well. I don't recall if it's reviewed every year after that.

Purple Drank

How about raising the bar instead of happily treading water? It's about time you all did some heavy lifting to improve the industry instead of being deadweight.

cactiboss

I'll get right on that as soon as AA exits bankruptcy and we get rid of usapa.