Usapa disaster
#11
Emotion is the root of irrational thought, and there are those that have strong emotional connections to each entity. Those are the ones you have to worry about.
The direct parallel to usapa isn't a great analogy, but it does work on some levels. The divide amongst usair/awa pilots has no parallel. That is the key underlying cause. As a contrast, DPA has many supporters hailing from each of the pre merger airlines; there are other underlying issues at play.
With unity among pilots, DPA possibly could function and get good industry leading contracts like the IPA and SWAPA have achieved. We've got a profitable company, now we need to get appropriate gains from that. Being divided won't work, and we need to get this behind us for the next round of negotiations.
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Excerpt from DAL Mec:
The idea of a runaway union like the DPA is not new. The most recent historical example illustrates just how ineffective a group like this can be. In 2008, several US Airways pilots formed a similar organization (USAPA), making virtually identical promises, using the same law firm as the DPA. Five years later, the only things USAPA has delivered are false hope and broken promises. The pilots don’t have a new contract. There is no change to the seniority system. The “professionals” who promised all these changes have been fired and they now work for the DPA.
Let’s be clear, DPA’s efforts are a blueprint of the USAPA disaster and we cannot afford to
repeat the US Airways fiasco here."
Let’s be clear, DPA’s efforts are a blueprint of the USAPA disaster and we cannot afford to
repeat the US Airways fiasco here."
Enjoy your "validation," but no level of ALPA fear mongering will make DPA anything like USAPA.
You're just gasping for any negative reference to USAPA.
This quote must have really made your day.
#14
WD at AWA
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LOA 93 for another year is optimistic. I think the merger will not be approved in its present form and Parker will be recruited to run the new American. US will lose top management. The delay and no contract will continue for years.
We have a happy pilot group who keeps the operation on time and saves fuel. Why would management give a contract and stop the East/West division?
We have a happy pilot group who keeps the operation on time and saves fuel. Why would management give a contract and stop the East/West division?
#16
Well lets see here lil wood, that terms was reserved for you usappy clowns who just like the first post said promised the moon and delivered **** instead. You people busted a union because you felt that you should not have to honor your obligations under that arbitration. The DAL pilots never did that they took what they got and moved on to bigger and better while you stare LOA 93 in the teeth for yet another year.
WD at AWA
WD at AWA
Most I have spoken with voted ALPA off, rather than actually vote somebody else in, due to a bunch of events other than the arbitration. The arbitration merely broke the camel's back.
As for LOA 93, you are stuck on it as well. In fact, you have been stuck on it for much longer than the East pilots if you are a legacy AW pilot. You should be used to low pay. Perhaps a quick check of the walls before you cast that stone.
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I guess if reality doesn't fit your argument you have to come up with your own reality.
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You cannot get some westies (and others it seems) to believe this, even though it is a fact. There is no way that just those really mad about the Nic could have gotten rid of ALPA on their own. I'd say the handling of the pension and LOA 93 were bigger factors.
I guess if reality doesn't fit your argument you have to come up with your own reality.
I guess if reality doesn't fit your argument you have to come up with your own reality.
I find the assertion that the Nic was a "last straw" issue to be as much of a rationalization/excuse as any other claim.
Just my observation..........
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....and yet 100% of USAPA's focus since then has been only about the Nic, merger or not. Regaining/resolving the other two have seem to fallen out of sight of their rear-view mirror, long ago.
I find the assertion that the Nic was a "last straw" issue to be as much of a rationalization/excuse as any other claim.
Just my observation..........
I find the assertion that the Nic was a "last straw" issue to be as much of a rationalization/excuse as any other claim.
Just my observation..........
You can believe the last straw argument or not, but I was here. I voted for ALPA for several different reasons, none of them being that I actually had a high opinion of ALPA. Without the support of the senior guys that were unaffected, or only slightly affected by the Nic, USAPA would not have been elected.
If we were not a divided pilot group over the SLI I would have voted for an independent union in a heartbeat. You should have seen the obscene amount of money ALPA threw at us to get us to stay.
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You cannot get some westies (and others it seems) to believe this, even though it is a fact. There is no way that just those really mad about the Nic could have gotten rid of ALPA on their own. I'd say the handling of the pension and LOA 93 were bigger factors.
I guess if reality doesn't fit your argument you have to come up with your own reality.
I guess if reality doesn't fit your argument you have to come up with your own reality.
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