Originally Posted by justjack

Absolutely would have passed - most likely by a wide margin. I can't decide if this merger will be enough to change Parker. I honestly would be more than willing to kiss and make up- even with him. I would love nothing more than to finish my career on a peaceful, if not high note. Still, I am skeptical and either way I will be gone soon enough. I just hope that the pilots will understand who Parker really is and make sure that every agreement is ironclad because the RLA is going to be around for a very long time.

Originally Posted by nwa757

I think this merger will turn the tide with Airway's culture and game of letting the east/west infighting continue. It's easy to game two divided pilot groups, but when you have 15,000 strong lead by APA, you can't abuse that many people and get away with it. Just look at Delta's 12,000 pilots. A larger pilot group is stronger in my opinion.

With pay raises starting on day 1 (backdated to Feb 2013) pilots should be happy with the new rates and take the seniority arbitration timeline as it comes.

Many will still find things to whine about, but working for the world's largest carrier (with arguably the best route network) with solid pay rates and strong financial footing is going to make most happy I think.

Originally Posted by nwa757

I think this merger will turn the tide with Airway's culture and game of letting the east/west infighting continue. It's easy to game two divided pilot groups, but when you have 15,000 strong lead by APA, you can't abuse that many people and get away with it. Just look at Delta's 12,000 pilots. A larger pilot group is stronger in my opinion.

With pay raises starting on day 1 (backdated to Feb 2013) pilots should be happy with the new rates and take the seniority arbitration timeline as it comes.

Many will still find things to whine about, but working for the world's largest carrier (with arguably the best route network) with solid pay rates and strong financial footing is going to make most happy I think.

Originally Posted by justjack

Totally agree- let's just hope it happens.

Originally Posted by R57 relay

I've seen your posts and it's obvious that you think you are victim too. How's that job hunt coming today? Pulling for ya!

Originally Posted by justjack

Although you might mean this as sarcasm there is some truth to this. I started at Piedmont on the "B" scale- deregulation started while I was still in the military. Piedmont merged with USAir and the pilots with Piedmont lost seniority, no relative seniority- but we moved on. In bankruptcy the RETIREMENT Systems of Alabama put my retirement into the PBGC. This was followed by two concessionary bankruptcy contracts. Lest we forget, the government conditions on the loan that they made to USAirways after 9/11 involved terms and conditions that drove many of the pilot concessions. I have flown with some ex-Eastern pilots, so I know it could be worse. Still, after all of this, the Nic was so egregious and we lost the very seniority that we had been protecting. All the while, I have been on the wrong side of ALPA's seniority policy du jour and on the wrong side of government regulation- deregulation du-jour. Real or perceived.

Originally Posted by cactiboss

Did usapa agree to go to "final and binding arbitration" to settle the grievance? Did usapa just hire a law firm to attempt and get out of "final and binding"? As to my question of "what it means" I think it is very clear. The east pilots cannot be trusted to live up to any agreements EVER. The notion the west give up "SOMETHING" is ridiculous on it's face since the east cannot and will not live up to any agreements, it's in the DNA of the east pilots.

Originally Posted by Wiskey Driver

No I didnt leave it out. There are many who would rather take the 190 upgrade for the sake of upgrading. We have pilots here with several years on the 3rd list captains.

No one is winning and that much is for sure but considering the alternative its much better that we see it all the way thru now. It will end that much is a certainty and much sooner than later. See its no longer financially beneficial for LCC and they need it over with merger or not.

Now I don't know but guessing here that you didn't compromise with your children when they made poor decisions. I am betting you and your spouse explained that when you make bad decisions you must live with the consequences of that decision as it teaches being responsible for your actions.

Usapa expects or rather demands to be rewarded for their poor decision and we just will not do that. It send the wrong message.

WD at AWA

Originally Posted by YourFnout

+ 2.
I have no delusions that Parker is a saint. He has his trump card and is playing it. At our expense.

Originally Posted by YourFnout

He's as much your founder as he is mine!!