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Old 11-10-2013 | 06:18 PM
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Parker isn't going to toss anything that he doesn't absolutely have to. One of the reasons the Airways/United merger fell apart was over DOJ demands on DCA slots and the creation of DC Air. What the government demanded made the merger financially unviable. What DOJ demands may get to the point Parker and co decide it would be better for the company to fight in court.
The real reason the US/UA merger fell apart was because it was a bad deal for UA. Somehow Wolf hoodwinked UA into paying way too much. DC Air was Wolf's idea and part of the original package to get it past the government. The DOJ came out and said they were going to block the merger and UA paid their break-up fee, sighed in relief and went on their way. IMHO, as always.
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Old 11-10-2013 | 06:19 PM
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So Oscar, you never answered me. Should SW and JB take the routes with the slots?
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Old 11-10-2013 | 06:40 PM
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Uh, I'm not sure about that, do you have some numbers to back it up?

DCA has been very profitable, but I don't think it was ever near 50% of revenue. Last time I heard Parker talk about hub profitability he said that CLT was first, but DCA had the best margin.
I'm talking about the time before Parker arrived around 2001.

But to the larger point, you don't get very far in business by giving away your most lucrative markets to the competition. Anybody who thinks Parker is going to walk away from these slots without a tough fight is smoking crack. These slots are very valuable and I would be surprised if Parker is willing to give more than a small amount to keep DOJ happy. If the DOJ wants a large amount, Parker may just decide to see them in court.
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Old 11-10-2013 | 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyingKat
I'm talking about the time before Parker arrived around 2001.

But to the larger point, you don't get very far in business by giving away your most lucrative markets to the competition. Anybody who thinks Parker is going to walk away from these slots without a tough fight is smoking crack. These slots are very valuable and I would be surprised if Parker is willing to give more than a small amount to keep DOJ happy. If the DOJ wants a large amount, Parker may just decide to see them in court.
I know what you were talking about and I was there. US Airways was a much bigger operation in 2001 than it is now. PIT was still a major hub, we operated many point to point routes, and Metrojet. DCA was important, but not near 50% of revenue.

You are correct that the slots are valuable, but many of them are operated by regional jets. Keeping the market tight is probably the biggest advantage to them. How profitable and how many the new AA can give up-only Parker and his team know. I think they can actually give enough for the merger to make sense.
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Old 11-10-2013 | 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by R57 relay
I know what you were talking about and I was there. US Airways was a much bigger operation in 2001 than it is now. PIT was still a major hub, we operated many point to point routes, and Metrojet. DCA was important, but not near 50% of revenue.

You are correct that the slots are valuable, but many of them are operated by regional jets. Keeping the market tight is probably the biggest advantage to them. How profitable and how many the new AA can give up-only Parker and his team know. I think they can actually give enough for the merger to make sense.
That's my point. Parker has a point where it makes sense. If the DOJ wants more then it goes to court. I suspect the DOJ is going to want a lot more than Parker is willing to give, but we'll see.

The 50% figure came from some Airways management people I knew at the time. Surprised me as well but they were in a place to know.
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Old 11-12-2013 | 06:56 AM
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Don't have a link but tweets saying settlement has been reached. Stocks through the roof.
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Old 11-12-2013 | 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by R57 relay
So Oscar, you never answered me. Should SW and JB take the routes with the slots?
As of today that would be............NO!
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Old 11-12-2013 | 12:32 PM
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R57,

RJ's operating slot controlled routes...... NYET!
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Old 11-12-2013 | 12:35 PM
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Come on Oscar. I thought SW was for the little guy. Not so much.

Looks like some of the slots are going to remain in smaller markets. Sorry.

I hope VA gets the DAL gates. Or Spirit. No Allegiant.
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Originally Posted by R57 relay
Come on Oscar. I thought SW was for the little guy. Not so much.

Looks like some of the slots are going to remain in smaller markets. Sorry.

I hope VA gets the DAL gates. Or Spirit. No Allegiant.
Not understanding why AA has to give up the LUV. Someone will have to show me why that was part of the deal. Little guy doesn't equate to an RJ to BGR from DCA. I live in a small city that connects out of a hub. BGR and similar shouldn't have access to DCA any more than anyone else. I am sure the members of congress would disagree!

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