5 year fence for F/Os?? While new hires are going to all bases in the system? I doubt it...

 

Probably only for the wide bodies. United and DAl both had no fences for the NB which I think is the way it should be.

 

Better yet, a pay rate based on years of service rather than type would promote more unity among the pilots. I know, I know, that presumes that a union is to promote unity. How silly of me.

 

The real reason is BC they want to protect all the Super 80s.... LOL

 

Did Delta/Northwest even unitize fences on narrow body aircraft?

 

DL/NW did not fence ANY domiciles. They fenced DL pilots off the 747 and NW pilots off the 777 for, I believe, 5 years. Otherwise, no fences of any kind. They were quick to move equipment around, too ... 777 and 737 to DTW, 320 to ATL, NYC, SLC, MD88 to MSP, and so forth. The 747/777 fences are going to expire relatively soon.

UA/CO did not fence ANY domiciles, either. They fenced CO pilots off the 747 and UA pilots off the 787 for 5 years. Otherwise, no fences of any kind. Before they even had one list, they had opened CO 737 domiciles in ORD and DEN, and UA 767 and 320 bases in IAH.

A review of the last several seniority arbitrations reveals a solid trend. Arbitrators prefer to avoid lengthy or complicated fences (the Roberts Award from the Northwest/Republic merger is a case study in how difficult and contentious heavy-duty fences are) and "let the list do the work". Fences of limited duration and scope, usually restricted to higher-paying (i.e. widebody) equipment, and almost never do they look at domiciles. (AA/TW was the last integration I can recall that attempted to fence any domiciles, and that wasn't arbitrated.)

Were I a betting man, I would speculate a fence of (at most) 5-7 years around US 330s and AA 777s, leaving the rest to open bidding. I would be highly surprised if any domicile fences were in the offing anywhere. Here is why ...

Look at AA and US. AA is roughly double US in size, but both have enormous fleets of Group 2 aircraft. For example, AA has a massive MD-80 base at DFW, and US has a massive A320 base in CLT. The two pay exactly the same thing, so all else being equal, the only reason one would bid between them would be to improve quality of life. Given the enormous number of commuters we all have from each other's domiciles, preserving those quality of life improvement opportunities for both sides is worth what will likely be only a very small tradeoff in relative seniority bidding power between the positions, depending upon the final composition of the list.

Just my $0.02 ...

 

This is why USAPA will get crushed in this SLI. Their proposal will be DOH with lengthy conditions, restrictions and fences which has zero chance of happening unless the APA agrees to it. My opinion is this will go to arbitration and will take the whole two years allotted for the process. I think this SLI will be the war to end all wars. Kinda like a nuclear bomb. I hope I'm wrong but then again Im a third lister and couldn't care less. Just show me the money

 

Yup. If we get lucky the west will be there to make a rational argument.

 

You want PHX fenced off?

 

I would vote for a fence of certain individuals not being able to pollute a great thread like this one. Fantastic discussion, but the usual suspects have started to move in.

Please keep it on fences and bases. Thx.